Lewiston ID -- plane crash video
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Peteri Szerlagi
Oct 4, 2021, 10:07:40 AM10/4/21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvODKP32Vq4
graphic video of sorts - pilot yells "oh shit" as he crashes
no one went to scene with fire extinguishers
pumper and crash truck finally show up
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comment from poster
Without commenting on this ARFF response specifically, I want to
correct a common misconception. Many people believe that 14 CFR § 139
requires that ARFF apparatus arrive at the scene of an aircraft
accident within three minutes. It does not. Response time requirements
only apply to simulated responses requested by the FAA. The only
requirement for actual emergencies is that ARFF must respond. [Edited
to add: even the “must respond” requirement only exists “during
periods of air carrier operations.” This fits with some of the
comments below stating that ARFF at Lewiston is staffed on-site 15
minutes before and 15 minutes after commercial arrivals and
departures, with an implicit “but not staffed on-site at all times
that the airport is open.”] See 14 CFR § 139.319(h)(1)(i) and (ii):
(h) Response requirements: (1) With the aircraft rescue and
firefighting equipment required under this part and the number of
trained personnel that will assure an effective operation, each
certificate holder must: (i) Respond to each emergency during periods
of air carrier operations; and (ii) When requested by the
Administrator, demonstrate compliance with the response requirements
specified in this section. (2) The response required by paragraph
(h)(1)(ii) of this section must achieve the following performance
criteria: (i) Within 3 minutes from the time of the alarm, at least
one required aircraft rescue and firefighting vehicle must reach the
midpoint of the farthest runway serving air carrier aircraft from its
assigned post or reach any other specified point of comparable
distance on the movement area that is available to air carriers, and
begin application of extinguishing agent. (ii) Within 4 minutes from
the time of alarm, all other required vehicles must reach the point
specified in paragraph (h)(2)(i) of this section from their assigned
posts and begin application of an extinguishing agent. The "response
required by paragraph (h)(1)(ii) of this section" that needs to meet
timing criteria is a simulated timed response requested by the FAA.
Nothing else. I have contacted the FAA just to double-check, but I'm
pretty sure about this.
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unknown if any airport staff are trained as firefighters - it cant
take that much training to operate the crash truck if airport staff
are already trained to drive plows, gas trucks, buses, or tugs etc
graphic video of sorts - pilot yells "oh shit" as he crashes
no one went to scene with fire extinguishers
pumper and crash truck finally show up
-----------------------
comment from poster
Without commenting on this ARFF response specifically, I want to
correct a common misconception. Many people believe that 14 CFR § 139
requires that ARFF apparatus arrive at the scene of an aircraft
accident within three minutes. It does not. Response time requirements
only apply to simulated responses requested by the FAA. The only
requirement for actual emergencies is that ARFF must respond. [Edited
to add: even the “must respond” requirement only exists “during
periods of air carrier operations.” This fits with some of the
comments below stating that ARFF at Lewiston is staffed on-site 15
minutes before and 15 minutes after commercial arrivals and
departures, with an implicit “but not staffed on-site at all times
that the airport is open.”] See 14 CFR § 139.319(h)(1)(i) and (ii):
(h) Response requirements: (1) With the aircraft rescue and
firefighting equipment required under this part and the number of
trained personnel that will assure an effective operation, each
certificate holder must: (i) Respond to each emergency during periods
of air carrier operations; and (ii) When requested by the
Administrator, demonstrate compliance with the response requirements
specified in this section. (2) The response required by paragraph
(h)(1)(ii) of this section must achieve the following performance
criteria: (i) Within 3 minutes from the time of the alarm, at least
one required aircraft rescue and firefighting vehicle must reach the
midpoint of the farthest runway serving air carrier aircraft from its
assigned post or reach any other specified point of comparable
distance on the movement area that is available to air carriers, and
begin application of extinguishing agent. (ii) Within 4 minutes from
the time of alarm, all other required vehicles must reach the point
specified in paragraph (h)(2)(i) of this section from their assigned
posts and begin application of an extinguishing agent. The "response
required by paragraph (h)(1)(ii) of this section" that needs to meet
timing criteria is a simulated timed response requested by the FAA.
Nothing else. I have contacted the FAA just to double-check, but I'm
pretty sure about this.
----------------------
unknown if any airport staff are trained as firefighters - it cant
take that much training to operate the crash truck if airport staff
are already trained to drive plows, gas trucks, buses, or tugs etc
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