Concrete KC mat 72 model

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bsak...@gmail.com

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Nov 26, 2022, 5:28:08 AM11/26/22
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Hi Everybody,

Is it possible to define modulus of elasticity for mat 72 or mat 72r3? I am modelling brick masonry and therefore i need a brittle material for implicit analysis, but the relationships regarding the compressive strength and modulus of elasticity for concrete will not fit my needs regarding the masonry. As i am also checking eigenvalues in my experimental campaign, this is quite important for me. Can you advice me on that? 

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Bogdan.

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Nov 26, 2022, 9:56:27 AM11/26/22
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By specifying the input Poisson’s Ratio (PR) and the bulk modulus on the associated equation of state (*EOS_TABULATED_COMPACTION), you can specify the elastic modulus calculated using the relationships among the elastic constants.

 

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James Kennedy

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Nov 26, 2022, 1:02:12 PM11/26/22
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In some situations, an EOS is required in order to accurately simulate material behavior. An EOS determines the hydrostatic, or bulk, behavior of the material by calculating pressure as a function of density and perhaps, energy and/or temperature.


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Bogdan Sakic

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Nov 26, 2022, 6:21:36 PM11/26/22
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Thank you a lot for the help. I managed to define EOS and all the parameters by coping the automatically generated parameters for measured compressive strength and defining EOS. Yet, i have a problem if using implicit as there is no convergence near the brick failure region. As i am later modelling the whole wall with a lot of elements, it is important for me to use implicit and not explicit analysis. Do you have any advice maybe? I can also share the model. Thank you a lot for the help in advance. 

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In some situations, an EOS is required in order to accurately simulate material behavior. An EOS determines the hydrostatic, or bulk, behavior of the material by calculating pressure as a function of density and perhaps, energy and/or temperature.


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By specifying the input Poisson’s Ratio (PR) and the bulk modulus on the associated equation of state (*EOS_TABULATED_COMPACTION), you can specify the elastic modulus calculated using the relationships among the elastic constants.

 

                --len

 

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Hi Everybody,

 

Is it possible to define modulus of elasticity for mat 72 or mat 72r3? I am modelling brick masonry and therefore i need a brittle material for implicit analysis, but the relationships regarding the compressive strength and modulus of elasticity for concrete will not fit my needs regarding the masonry. As i am also checking eigenvalues in my experimental campaign, this is quite important for me. Can you advice me on that? 

 

Best regards,

Bogdan.

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James Kennedy

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Nov 27, 2022, 8:26:38 AM11/27/22
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Dear Bogdan,

With regards to your question involving the use of the "implicit" solver and material 
model MAT_072R3 (notes  were borrowed from the following link)


RE: implicit analysis:
An LS-DYNA distributor in the UK, expert in civil engineering applications of LS-DYNA,,
kindly offered these comments several years ago...
"As far as I know, nobody here has attempted nonlinear analysis of
concrete with implicit LS-DYNA. My understanding is that other implicit
codes (e.g. ABAQUS, ADINA, etc) are OK for small amounts of nonlinearity
but once it comes to cracking and softening only explicit does the job
properly. We have done some work with LS-DYNA implicit on building
structures, but using elastic material for the concrete.

For explicit analysis of concrete using solids, we often use Mat84
(Winfrith). We wrote our own material model for concrete with shells (and beams)
(MAT_CONCRETE_EC2, mat_172)."

The comments still ring true in my opinion.   Any implicit solver has a tendency 
to become unstable (won't converge) when there is a high degree of material 
nonlinearity that includes cracking, crushing, erosion.   That does not mean 
you can't attempt it.   There is a far better chance at success if you employ 
implicit dynamics rather than implicit static. 
Sincerely,
James M. Kennedy
KBS2 Inc.
November 27, 2022

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XianBing AI

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Dec 5, 2022, 1:31:23 AM12/5/22
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Hello everyone
I am using mat72 R3 to study the impact performance of concrete, but after the model calculation, its hourglass energy is too large as shown in the figure. How can I solve this problem?hourglass.png
After I checked the k-file, the material card shows the following warning:the warning of k document.png
The figure below shows the details of the Hardening curve:dif.png
this is quite important for me. Can you advice me on that? 


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Dec 5, 2022, 4:40:45 AM12/5/22
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1\ It is difficult to say exactly why your hourglass energy is the same order of magnitude as your internal energy. Typically, hourglass energy is stimulated by point loads, i.e. concentrated loads on single nodes.

 

2\ I do not understand the message about the ”Hardening curve” as MAT072R3 does not refer to a hardening curve? Since your included image is only labeled as Ordinate versus Abscissa further comment  is not possible.

 

               --len

 

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Hello everyone
I am using mat72 R3 to study the impact performance of concrete, but after the model calculation, its hourglass energy is too large as shown in the figure. How can I solve this problem?

After I checked the k-file, the material card shows the following warning
The figure below shows the details of the Hardening curve:

image001.png
image002.png
image003.png

James Kennedy

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Dec 5, 2022, 1:03:55 PM12/5/22
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Dear Al,

Perhaps some of the discussions involving hourglassing in the following presentations may be of some interest.

Numerous roadside safety systems are configured with reinforced concrete materials, such as bridge railings, median barriers, and roadside parapets. The analysis and design of these structures may involve impact simulation with finite element software, like LS-DYNA, which includes multiple concrete material models. This Phase I study investigated the viability and performance of existing concrete material models to simulate unreinforced components subjected to common loading conditions, such as compression, tension, shear, and bending. For this study, five material models were evaluated – CSCM (*MAT_159), K&C (*MAT_072R3), RHT (*MAT_272), Winfrith (*MAT_084), and CDPM (*MAT_273):

Winkelbauer, B.J., "Phase I Evaluation of Selected Concrete Material in LS-DYNA", Master’s Thesis,, Department of Civil Engineering, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, Nebraska, December, 2015.


Winkelbauer, B.J., Faller, R.K., Bielenberg, R.W., Rosenbaugh, S.K., Reid, J.D., and Schmidt, J.D., "Phase I Evaluation of Selected Concrete Material in LS-DYNA", MwRSF Research Report No. TRP-03-330-15, Midwest Roadside Safety Facility, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, Nebraska, April, 2016.


Sincerely,
James M. Kennedy
KBS2 Inc.
December 5, 2022


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Omer Polat

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May 2, 2026, 5:06:40 AM (yesterday) May 2
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I have a question as well. My graph is shown below. The blue curve represents the experimental results, and the orange curve represents the numerical results. I plan to address the increase in the final part using an erosion criterion.
However, at the beginning, the numerical analysis appears to be stiffer than the experimental response. I am trying to make this part closer to the experimental results. I suspect that this issue may be related to the EOS card.
Do you think my interpretation is correct? For concrete, the EV2 value in the d3hsp file is obtained as -0.0015. I have seen that some authors use this value as well. However, others have achieved solutions by modifying EV2, while some adjust parameters such as C2, K1, and K2. There are very few studies on this topic.
Could you please help me with this?

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