Determining lesson number and date of lesson

[Bruce Harrell]

Hi all.

I apologize for asking simple  questions, but since I find myself almost completely ignorant in the swimming pool with little more than the advice to "swim", I'm trying to figure out how to go about designing my own lesson plans, which leads me to think in terms of lesson numbers and dates of lessons in hope of building some sort o organization of all those videos T.O.M. created.  I've also learned that on at least one occasion, The Monster of Oreos recommended that listeners stop and go back to an earlier video to review some background  information before continuing, but, unfortunately, he referred to the earlier video by key words which couldn't be found by the search  function because the key word was not in the title, and because he referred to the earlier video as being part of the Getting Started with Logic course, which it wasn't.  So, heaving a heavy sigh, I'm forced to stumble and fall into the pool, there to struggle to learn how to dog paddle before I can start doing the back stroke.  

I am here, fellow Logic Pro users, in hope some among us will offer tips and tricks, and in which order I might go about learning to swim.

My questions are:

1.  With those videos that are not numbered by lesson number, is there a way to figure out their date, or is there some way I might be able to figure out their lesson number?  

Yes, I realize I should focus more on the specific subjectsI need to learn, but that won't do me any good until I get past wasting enormous amounts of my time simply trying to find this lesson or that.  For example, I've probably wasted more than a dozen hours of my time failing to find the Getting Started with Logic course.  I have it now, but I have no desire to waste my time like that again.

Part of my problem is that I have not yet learned how to go backwards in time through the list of videos beyond this past January.  The tips and tricks The Monster shared with me to get to the beginning of the list did not work, unfortunately.

2.  For those videos lacking key words later used by Steve to refer back to them, do they have summaries or descriptions other than the video title I might go to to look for key words, and if so, how do I get to them?

3.  And my most important question, from those of you who have invested your hard work learning how to use Logic and LM, what advice and suggestions do you have to offer me other than "swim"?  I'm guessing you did some things the hard way and now have your own tips how to do things better?  

I'm reasonably OK  with my knowledge of Logic Pro 10 for recording audio and doing some mixing in surround sound 7.1.  Now that I've upgraded my studio I'm almost ready to rock and roll with 7.1.4 Dolby ATMOS on Logic Pro 12.  Any suggestions as to what lessons I need to learn and how and in what order Would be very helpful.  In addition to audio, I intend to add software instruments, sessions, and drum designer.

Thank you for taking the time to read all this.  I really appreciate your help.

Best in all things,

Bruce Harrell

 

[Bruce Harrell]

Hi again everybody,

I forgot to add that I don't blame The Oreo Monster for making mistakes.  We all make mistakes, perhaps most of all me.  I'm just dirt tired of struggling to make progress, only to end up wasting so many awful hours of effort for nothing.  Seriously, though.  The Monster has been providing major help on and off for me for over a decade.  I never would have been able to make it this far without his help.  

Joy!

Bruce

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[David Eagle]

Hi Bruce, I honestly think reading through the Logic Magician documentation will give you the best chance of learning what you’ll need to know. Also the Logic Magician playlist. Logic Magician Documentation - Learn about it's features and how to use it with Logic Pro And VoiceOver for Blind Users, Musicians And Producers, ETC.

From what I can tell, on the Blind Logic Pro Youtube channel, and indeed any channel, when you click videos, they present the videos in a list in order of most recent. Obviously you can go to the bottom of a page and work your way from there. Shift H will take you to previous heading, and I think the videos are on separate headings.

I’m really not trying to be rude here, but I’m still a bit confused as to what’s going on. By your last few emails, I’ve assumed that you must be rather new to the Mac and to web navigation in general, as you see to be having an extremely hard time with all of this. I’ve only had a Mac for and been using Logic for a month, but I didn’t at all struggle to access the Getting Started course or the Youtube videos. So I’m just trying to get my head around what’s happening to be causing you such issues. But then you mention using 7.1 surround in Logic, so that suggests you have a pretty good grasp on Logic and the technical no-how there. I’m just trying to work out where you’re coming from so as to best help you. Hope we can get you to where you want to get to.

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[John Isige]

The one thing I'll sort of say in defense of Bruce, though honestly it pains me, is that scrolling on Youtube is weird. Anybody know a good way to get that to happen? Sometimes if you navigate by heading it happens on its own when you get to the last one. Sometimes if you change size by zooming and then resetting it to normal, it sees the window changes and scrolls in more videos. But I haven't found a consistent way to get it to happen in FIrefox on Windows or Mac, also various other browsers on Windows.

So yeah, if anybody's got tips for scrolling in older Youtube videos reliably, I'd love them. I'm pretty sure *this* month is the month I sign up for membership, finally! I'm pretty sure the Logic Pro channel has lots of playlists though, and they scroll just fine. All the videos are just there, and you can navigate through all of them by headings. Some awesome organization there, from what I've seen.

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[Mert Ozer]

Sometimes navigating to the last heading, and shift tabbing ones and tabbing to get to the older videos work as well!

Mert Ozer

On May 2, 2026, at 11:58 AM, John Isige <gw...@tds.net> wrote:

The one thing I'll sort of say in defense of Bruce, though honestly it pains me, is that scrolling on Youtube is weird. Anybody know a good way to get that to happen? Sometimes if you navigate by heading it happens on its own when you get to the last one. Sometimes if you change size by zooming and then resetting it to normal, it sees the window changes and scrolls in more videos. But I haven't found a consistent way to get it to happen in FIrefox on Windows or Mac, also various other browsers on Windows.

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[Bruce Harrell]

Hey David,

Thanks for your email.  Smile.  I'm glad to have your suggestions.

First, happily, I'm fairly familiar with the Mac.  I've been using a Mac since 2013.  during the first few months, an Apple accessibility tech was amazed by how fast I was on my Mac and asked if I would share how I'm doing things so quickly.  Mind you, I've been using personal computers since around 1979, back when I had an Apple 2e for a year or two and then switched to MSDOS.

Anyway, what I am not very familiar with is YouTube Premium and Substack.  Steve gave me some useful information how to operate them, but, unfortunately, some of the information proved to be false.  For example, when I first asked him how to get to the chronological beginning of his videos, he said just keep arrowing down.  Unfortunately, that only got me back to January, and I have yet to figure out how to go farther back in time.  

Steve did try.  He later suggested other methods how to go back in time, but they didn't work.  

I'll probably try again.  I do that, you know, keep trying that is.  I figure I must be missing something obvious, so I keep looking, keep beating my head against the wall, even though if usually only adds to how much time I am wasting.

Meanwhile, if you have a tip or trick how I can get to the beginning of the videos and how to move forward and back through them all from newest to oldest and back again, I'd love to hear it.  The Monster may have around 144 videos, but I sure can't find most of them.

Hey, thank you so much for the links!  big happy smile.  I will most definitely see where they lead.  Also, I really appreciate your hint I forget about the videos for now and just go straight into the documentation.  I had thought that doing the videos first would orient and focus me for diving into the user manual and enable me to get my cheat sheet in shape first, but since I'm going nowhere fast with the video library, I will give the documentation a shot.  At this point I really don't have anything to lose, other than time.  

Thumb's up!  I will report back to you on how it's going.

 I'll also try your playlist link, and if it takes me where ican wade through some more videos, I will give them a listen, perhaps first before I try the documentation.  

Back when I first bought an interface, I tried the Apple Logic Pro documentation and almost immediately became lost and bewildered, which is when I turned to Steve fore tutoring.  smile.  I still have my original notes. The helped!

From the new videos I have managed to hear, I've made new notes.  I'd like to keep that process going because they were very useful back in 2016, 2017 etc.  Quick reference really works for me.  

Although not quick reference, User manuals are great, too, if they are both concise and comprehensive in an understandable, straightforward way.  Often, user manuals make the mistake of assuming the reader already knows things that I don't know.  This causes me a lot of confusion, as you might imagine, which is why I started with Steve's videos to get his overview.

I will also give shift[-h a try.  I've wondered if that list of videos is something I can scroll through, but it doesn't seem to be.  I had thought shift-h takes you heading by heading up the page, but perhaps shift-h will get me farther back in time.

David, don't worry about being rude; you haven't been.  You've been sincere and helpful.  I value that.  

I'm sorry if I've confused you.  My story is too long and involved and of little value here.  I've offered examples along the way so you and others might understand I'm not complaining without cause.  I don't like wasting my time, which is why I hired Steve to begin with, and he has saved me time off and on for years, which is why I'm still paying him.  Lately, though, I can't help but get the feeling he isn't paying attention to what he says to me, unintentionally, of course, but these lapses in attention have caused me to waste many hours of my time, resulting in me getting very frustrated.  So I try to get him to focus.  

I don't blame him for being inattentive.  Everyone gets that way from time to time.  I just want him to resume is attention where I'm concerned.  I don't want his time wasted either, and he does spend considerable time on me, just not always focused time.

I don't blame myself, either.  I don't claim to be a genius.  I do listen and pay attention to the literal meaning of words.  Comes from having spent decades as a trial lawyer.  But I know I can be downright dumb.  MY wife tells me so; and, I believe her, which is why I've learned to cut myself some slack.  I'm perfectly willing to cut Steve slack, too.

As for why you didn't have any trouble accessing the Getting Started with Logic courses, it's probably because you did so when you subscribed.  Steve originally told me to use the subscribe link, too, not remembering I had subscribed some time previously.  

Guess what?  I tried and tried and tried to find that Getting Started course by using that subscribe link he kept pointing me to.  What happened?  I wasted an enormous amount of time without getting anywhere.  I kep telling him it's not working; he kept telling me, in effect, to keep trying.  

Some days ago, Steve finally paid attention to me long enough to say something like, "oh, you are already subscribed; that means you have to get the Getting Started course a different way."

Anyway, where I'm trying to get to is to develop my cheat sheet quick reference notes for the features that are new to Logic Pro since Logic Pro 10, and I'm trying to do the same for Logic Magician, which is a brilliant innovation from all I can tell, speeding up workflow enormously.  Once I have my Logic Pro 12 qnde LM quic reference cheat sheet I intend to dive into a few projects I've been eader to start.  After that, I intend to avail myself of Steve's personal tutorial assistance (I'm pre-paid for another 12 hours of tutoring) for his help how to fix whatever problems I'm encountering and how to improve whatever it is I'm doing.  

Three dimensional automation may be very challenging for the Monster and me since neither of us have used ATMOS mixing, and I have a few very specific effects I hope to achieve with automation, specifically geting a bunch of tracks with moving sounds that dive and rise, slow and speed up, get louder and softer, and even swirl around, all to give the listener the feeling of a breeze flowing by and fading into the distance.

Thank you again, David.  Smile.  Creating and producing music is probably the last item on my bucket list.  Your help saving me time is worth more than you know.

Joy!

Bruce

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[Bruce Harrell]

Aha!  I've been wondering if scrolling there is possible.  I might try to find YouTube documentation, or search their support to find anything they have for their app about scrolling.  I'll let you know if I do find anything.  Smile

Bruce

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[Bruce Harrell]

Thanks, Mert!  I'll give that a try.

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[Mert Ozer]

I thought there was a pop-up menu from which you can sort videos from oldest to newest!

Mert Ozer

On May 2, 2026, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Harrell <bbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey David,

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