Alchemy Error Message"could not load preset"

[Ice Bond Music]

Hello,

since the latest update of  Logic Pro i have a strange problem in Alchemy.

When i go thru the factory preset list and select  a preset occours a Message Dialog that the Preset can not be loaded, but 2 seconds later the message disappears and the preset is loaded. This happens every time for each preset.

I did not change the path of the presets. I leave all locations as they was after the installation. All library elements are on the system drive.

It seems, that Logic is looking for the preset at the wrong path, brings up the error, searches ahead and finds the preset in anoter path.

Does anybody has a similar problem and maybe a solution?

Thanks!

Freddy

[Dave Leo Baker]

I have had exactly this same issue since Logic 11.2 at least. And I do deep synthesis / sound design in Alchemy all the time. Before Omnisphere and still after Omnisphere, Alchemy is one of my go-tos for my creations for the wellness / spa / health industries. I wish I knew how to fix it, except slog through and save some of your go-to presets you often use, into your local presets and they will load. Also load anythibng as a patch and it will stick without the error. You will probably want to go back through some or all of your old projects and save as patches / presets all the Alchemy settings you've used and changed. 
I know it's a lot, I need to do this anyway. Alchemy is amazing to work with, but maybe this error will make us go back and reclaim things we've done, released and nearly forgotten about, but at the time were pretty deep in the weeds. There are some pretty amazing Oblique Structures, cinematic pads, etc., as well as everything else. I need to make it a goal this month to do this very thing. It's too bad about the error because auditioning presets is kind of a pain, but once saved locally or even just saved as a patch, you won't have this issue. This error just sort of called attention to needing to go reclaim some of the old ppresets I saved inside of projects, and not as actual presets, from Alchemy. I still love this synth, even if it frustrates me at times with issues like this one. 

[TheOreoMonster LogicBand]

Just out of curiosity what computer are you using? MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Mac mini, etc, and which chip? Intel, M1, M2, etc. You can find this in about this Mac. 

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Don't know about the OP, but for my part, it's Mac Mini 2018 with 32g of RAM and 6 cores, I bought it in 2020 and it's Intel. Got a 2TB solid state hard drive. Auto backs up some things with Dropbox. But not my projects. Once the error is dismissed, the preset loads. So you hit a right bracket, get the error, dismiss, there's the working preset. 

Cheers,

Dave

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Just out of curiosity what computer are you using? MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Mac mini, etc, and which chip? Intel, M1, M2, etc. You can find this in about this Mac. 

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[John Isige]

Couple of questions:

1. Are you using Logic Magician's commands for this? I get that error if I do, and I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that it's because the presets are in submenus now. In other words, if you do it by hand, e.g. by going into the mixer and so on and going into the menu, instead of having a straight list like the electric piano, it has things divided into submenus.

2. Feel like writing anything up on using Alchemy? I'd love tips. I tried loading it to see if I could get some granular synthesis going but I couldn't figure out how to pick what engine it was using. Honestly right now I kind of forget where I went to load it, LOL! I've been trying to learn some synthesis, seriously considering an analog hardware synth, so if Alchemy's accessible I'd love to find out a bit about what it can do and how to mess around with it. I've tried googling but didn't really have any luck finding anything. If there's already useful stuff I'll happily go do my own homework if you can point me at resources.

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[TheOreoMonster LogicBand]

You are indeed assuming incorrectly, Magician would not affect something like this at all. This just appears to be an Alchemy bug with the latest version of Logic. I have used other instruments that have their presets in sub menus and also don’t have this issue so it seems to be limited to Alchemy.

Synths like Alchemy has a ton of parameters so it will take some time to navigate through them all in controls view. If brand new to synthesis it may be worth starting with simpler synths like ES-1 or Retro synth.

Hardware is cool too but then it comes down to do you want to memorize knobs and layouts of a piece of hardware and or having to check a text document to refresh your memory if you haven’t used it in a while, or get comfortable and efficient with your computer and keyboard to navigate around an interface where if the synth is accessible you will always be able to see what parameter you are adjusting. Either way you are spending time learning one or the other. I believe a lot of people are overwhelmed with all the options and possibilities and etc in a modern DAW like Logic and just want to make music, so hardware seems enticing and like it will be easier, but it’s trading one set of learning responsibilities for another.Yes, you may jive with one more than the other, but its not one makes things easier than the other as it may first seem. Something like the Komplete Kontrol Universal plug in  control could be a happy medium as well. 

As a guitar player, I love my analog pedals amps etc, but its really hard to beat the convenience of plugging my guitar into the interface, load up an amp sim on the track and focus on recording, editing, arranging and etc knowing that I can tweak the amp and effects sound after to get exactly the right sound that works with the drums and bass and etc after it’s all done being recorded, edited and arranged. Sometimes though, its nice when there is just option parallasis in the DAW to then just re-amp those tracks through a couple of pedals and or amps and dial in a great sound quickly with minimal fuss. So knot knocking one over the other here.

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[John Isige]

Ah, the only reason I guessed that is because I'm pretty sure it was a change, I think they used to just be in a list.

I'm considering hardware less because of option paralysis and more because I'm kind of sick of fighting with software. I forget if I posted about this but i was going to try Surge XT, since I've got stuff about it. If I load it into Logic and pick Editor or whatever it is to get to the plugin window, then interact with Surge, the keystrokes go to Logic, not Surge. Surge's interface is way easier to deal with than Logic's giant table. I have no idea why this isn't working, I think I briefly played with it at some point and did use SUrge's keystrokes.

Hardware has its issues, but it tends, I find, to be much more immediate. Right now I either have to figure out how to solve this issue or hope it magically fixes itself, as sometimes happens. Otherwise, I'm not following along with the tutorials I've got access to.

I'm considering the Mk3, or even another control surface to do my own mapping, I find the computer keyboard useful naturally, but IMO not a very satisfying interface for manipulating parameters on the fly. I'd much prefer knobs and sliders and the like. I haven't found anybody to explain how that works either, and the Mk3 doesn't map everything. So in order to make full use of it, I'd want to know a lot more about mapping and how it works.

Do you cover that kind of thing? I know you do private lessons, so I'd consider taking some for it, or signing up for the Youtube membership, if it's in there. I'm planning on doing that at some point anyway, it's some great stuff, just have to get to the point where I can.

But yeah, I largely agree about software. That's why I'm asking about Alchemy, I'd love to have something where I could hear about a technique, e.g. granular synthesis, and just go and start playing with it. In theory we can, but like I said, I didn't readily see a way to pick that engine in Alchemy. I'll bet we can and I'm just not figuring it out.

In fact, here's a great example. This video is doing Indian microtonal music on the Arturia Microfreak using Karplus-Strong synthesis, a technique for physically modeling strings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2e_ZpGurzY

I was pretty excited about the Microfreak but it would be really hard to use because reasons. But we can do this synthesis technique in Sculpture in Logic, I'm pretty sure. SO grab a midi controller that can do midi polyphonic expression, map said expression correctly, and there you go. I'm pretty sure Logic can handle MPE as well. But in order to do that, I need to have a good understanding of mapping, or be able to access the appropriate engine, e.g. if I'm using granular synthesis in Alchemy instead, that kind of thing. Since those are both things I can't do right now, they're as inaccessible as any hardware.

Being able to do it all in software would certainly save me money in the long run. So if anybody's got any tips, do let me know! I think Logic has a bunch of really awesome stuff, assuming we can access all of it. I'd love to be able to throw a controller or two at all of it and go to town with sound design and the like.

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[Dave Leo Baker]

Hey John,

T.O.M is spot on here in both counts. Alchemy has always had submenus, I have also never owned or used Keyboard Maestro or Logic Magician, so the problem is not with any of those. It happens whenever you switch presets, whether going into the submenus at the top and selecting from a category and then loading it. It doesn’t throw the error if you load something you saved locally or do it direct from the patch library.

Second thing T.O.M. is right about — synthesis. I’ve been a synth guy since late 80s / my first board was an Akai AX60 — sort of Akai’s answer to the Juno 106 with some odd quirks. 

I would never recommend learning synthesis by starting in alchemy, like he said, Alchemy is basically 4 synths in one with a host of effects. I would start with ES1 / ESP, work up to ES2 / EFM! and so forth, here is why. has a ton of first principles that really need to be understood at least in general, starting with subtractive, what used to be called analog, into Addative, what was called FM or Digital, then on to linear and wavetable sampling and ultimately granular and beyond. Each type includes all the previous types, so subtractive is also included in addative which is also included in wavetable which got reinvented into granular synthesis — tiny “grains” or baby samples that are embedded into a preset. Modelling is a whole different thing, if you take a look at Sculpture. It’s different enough from regular synthesis that it doesn’t matter when you learn it, once you have learned subtractive synthesis.

So sorry for the gobbledeegook long description, I’m not the trainer T.O.M. is, But what most people like T.O.M. won’t tell you, and didn’t even acknowledge when I was a kid, is all of them as producers and trainers are actually showing you some very amazing first principles of analog synthesis when they teach you how to manage EQ, filters, etc., even in something as straightforward as the little reverb tutorial on his channel, I forget the name of the plug-in. The reason is, when you first start, you are learning to manage the sound source in many ways like an EQ, you are not just reshaping the wave forms as your books tell you, but you’re doing the Michelangelo — cutting the sculpture out of the marble. A straight wave is just not very pleasant, listen to your test oscillator plug-in and you will find out. Everything you do with an EQ or the EQ section of a reverb or any other pedal / plugin you are scaulpting the resulting sound wave by smoothing the rough edges or roughing the smooth parts. Everything you learn about filters, EQ and envelopes from all of Tom’s plugins tutorials is everything you will use inside the synthesizer, either directly when shaping, or indirectly through the LFO, If you listen to Tom’s tutorial on the Echo and Delay plug-ins you get some direct experience on what high and low filters are doing to your sound. Even though that is prerecorded sound and not from the keyboard, sound is sound and the principles are spot on.

For each synth you learn, you will need to learn how to tell the instrument what controls what. That will mean automatic control via envelopes and the LFO, or manual where you set it when editing, and use one of your controllers — I am a big mod wheel user from the 80s — to control one or more parameters in perform mode, meaning when you’re recording or playing your parts, so you play the controller like the mod wheel as much as you do the notes and your pitch bends. 

There is a book on Bard by Rob Zantay, it’s an old cassette series on synthesis. e was a session guy and producer in the 70s and 80s out of New York and did work with film and Broadway. It’s not like a modern tutorial but more of a book on the principles of synthesis from start to end, at least start through the 1980s. His book is really good because it’s as much about your performance as the production side. And as keyboardists, we’re responsible for not only designing the presets, but also performing them correctly to the instruments’ voicings, and humanizing via controller / pitch bend / expression pedals etc. 

So as an example, I sometimes use a cello patch I’ve modified. So the keyboard is set to portamento instead of polyphonic. Polyphonic just means you can play multiple notes at once, monophonic is one note at a time, and portamento means that when you play the notes beamed together (articulated so the key goes down before the last one goes up), the patch doesn’t start at the beginning. So the initial bow sound of a cello doesn’t play when I’m playing a run like a cellist going down the fingerboard on the same string. My mod wheel I’ve set to vibrato, and my pich bend at a single half step.

But for practice, I have to bear in mind when a cellist is going to switch strings / start the bow again, which is going to change how I articulate on the keyboard. Add to that the natural swell curve you do with your foot pedal, and this is a lot for one part. But this is what synthesis expects when we take these instruments and make them sound humanized. 

But I’ve probably drifted a bit too far, this being about Logic Pro. Every stock synth plug-in except Alchemy has a built-in cheat sheet for you to learn what controls do. When in ES1 or ESP, go to the table like T.O.M showed you in the plug-in window. In the table, the left column usually has a VoiceOver hint. So press VO Shift H to hear the hint. In true Apple fashion, they’ve written the hints in very layman’s language. Alchemy doesn’t have this, though.

When you’ve crossed the threshold and want to add a grain into an Alchemy patch, check out the several tutorials about sampler instruments on T.O.M’s channel and instead of picking sampler, pick Alchemy from there. I have not created grains in Alchemy, because unlike the 80s, there are so many wonderful presets we now have, which I merely need to work on to create my own. And that leads me to my final point: As you learn, look at presets that closely match what you’re doing, and figure out how to modify that preset to your liking. 

Synthesis is just too vast a topic to really write up, at least for me, maybe T.O.M will do it sometime if there are enough calls for it. But till then, there is a channel on YOutube called “Music Tech Guy” and he has a playlist full of synthesis / sound design videos. He’s describing with a mouse, but you can take principles you learn from his channel, and knowledge of how to navigate plug-in windows with VoiceOver from Tom’s channel and you should be good to go for years and years to come. I will do a much simpler write up of something we as keyboardists all do and Logic makes very easy once I actually learned: Keyboard Splits and Double / triple manual playing on one recording. Basically turning your entire stack, even bass pedals if you have them, into one single instrument like an organ that you record from. A lot of us in the ambient community who came from prog decades ago have been doing this, but it’s taken me a while to figure out just how the best workflow for us VoiceOver users will work for this.

Anyway happy synthesis. After awhile, you will view your synthesis work as paramount to your composition, rehearsal and performance as your piano technique. Everybody’s style is theirs, and I’m here for it.

Cheers,

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[John Isige]

Thanks! That is super helpful. I just downloaded that book the other week, ha!

The big thing I want to do I think is map some hardware, or do you just do all your stuff from the keyboard too? In books like that one they're just using the controls, we're not doing values like numbers or percentages, it's just reacting directly to what you hear. I feel like using the keyboard and table is kind of getting in the way of that for me.

Also yes please on the setup you're talking about. It might save me some money, again! I've been kicking around the idea of setting up a couple of keyboards to do organ. But back to Alchemy, I'd be quite happy to do software, because of videos like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-mKlfRhvyQ

Even if I needed sighted help to set up the instrument with their dashboard software, once that's set, I get MPE control over anything that can take it. So software is absolutely attractive. I just feel like I've been fighting with it lately. So maybe what I need to do is just sign up for TOM's channel and stick to synths on Logic then.

But when I'm asking about synths, I don't mean how synthesis works, I can find that out. I just literally mean the mechanics of accessibility. To stick with my example, I found out Alchemy can do granular synthesis. I loaded Alchemy, but couldn't figure out how to get started with it, apparently you have to pick which of the four engines you want to use? Can we do that?

For me it's kind of about that, getting beyond the presets. Accepting that Alchemy isn't the best place to start and I should begin with one ofthe other synths mentioned, I'd still be interested to know how to do that with it. I could be entirely wrong about having to pick which of the four synths you want to use, for example. But speaking of Youtube, is this the guy's channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODFeFWHrQaA

That's the video that inspired me to load up Alchemy. But I didn't see how to get to the stuff he was talking about with the advanced tab and picking what you wanted to use to start doing granular stuff like he's showing you.

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[TheOreoMonster LogicBand]

Hey John,

As far as I remember Alchemy has always has it presets in sub menus. It’s always had a ton of presets so sub menus is a useful way to organize them.

Regarding software, I think part of the point that we have tried to make here is that you gotta crawl before you can walk and walk before you can run. I know it’s not sexy an exciting but if you take the time to get the fundamentals of using software and understand the landscape and how it all fits together you can tackle all the fun and exciting things you are truly interested in without being as overwhelmed as you are. I think it would be good to back track a little bit and be able to do some fundamental production stuff comfortably first. Get comfortable with and know your way around the software first.

I agree also that MusicTechHelpGuy is a great resource, he often says what he’s clicking on or manipulating so it’s a matter of pausing the video and finding that thing with VoiceOver. Alchemy is a bit trickier though as he is not in controls view and the tabs in the Editor view limits the plug in to showing just what is relevant for that particular section of the plug in. However in controls view you are getting a list of all 1000 or so parameters in a big long list so it’s a lot more scrolling to find what you want. Also certain things may not always be in controls view as controls view technically shows you all automatable parameters. While for effects like an EQ or Compressor or etc, this may mean all parameters are visible in controls view. in a  Synth or sampler, the option to load a file or sample most likely won’t show up in controls view as there isn’t a scenario where one would want to automate loading a sample or file like say during playback. So generally those settings and options will only be in Editor view. 

Regarding surge XT, try clicking on the plug in window with VO Shift space to see if if put the focus back onto the plug in window for you.

As for Komplete Kontrol, yes plug ins and synths loaded in the Komplete Kontrol plug in and accessed through the Komplete Kontrol keyboard may not always have every parameter and option mapped for control by the keyboard, and chances are they can’t as they  can only map the automatable parameters or the parameters that would show up in controls view if you loaded up that plug in or synth on a track in Logic Pro directly. Also the Komplete control MK III keyboards recently introduced a feature where it can auto map to control any plug in that is on your track in Logic. This means you don’t have to map or MIDI learn parameters manually. However for things like the mod wheel and expression or sustain pedals you will still need to map those and as DLB said in his email, its better to use the MIDI Modifier plug in to remap it rather than to MIDI learn it in every synths.

Regarding one on one lessons, personally I think it would be a good investment for you as we can work together to cut through a lot of the things that are slowing you down or overwhelming you at the moment. Also as I said, I believe it would be beneficial to button down your Logic fundamentals first to set you up with better success into your future endeavors with synths, hardware mappings etc. If you are interested, link is in the signature. I’d love to work with you and assist you in getting to where you are making the music you want to make. 

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[Dave Leo Baker]

So I’ll address Alchemy first. What you’re looking for I have yet to figure out. Like ye olden days with hardware synths even the D50 I start with an existing patch and do mods from there with Alchemy. Honestly for as much work as I might do now, I don’t do synth-from-scratch anymore, why reinvent the wheel. Maybe I’m getting lazy in my middle age? But I went into the Alchemy synthesizer in edit mode not controls, and it’s very inaccessible even with VOCR. Definitely go watch Tom’s video on using VOCR if you hadn’t. I have used it for years and still learned a couple things from that video.

Yes, the Youtube channel you sent is the right guy.

Sorry to disappoint about Alchemy.

What I will say is 2-fold: Tom has a good video on how to mute VoiceOver on a toggle. I have my E-Reader Braille display hooked up to my mac, obviously don’t use it while doing a lot in studio, but it had the mute function already. But Tom’s Mute is a bit better because it also turns off sounds. So then if you interacted with the parameter, you can VO left / right or automate / fade move it etc and not hear numbers. When you get to know the instruments you use most, especially the parts of those instruments that you use most, it’s a lot easier to do it blind / do it like it’s 1985 all over agaon, and only hear things, not speech. 

The major issue I have with Alchemy besides its editor is that some really common parameters like poliphony (they call it NMVoices) are way down in the table. Sometimes VO F and find it will work when Item Chooser can’t see it cause it’s not on the screen, but most often you learn what parameters are likely to be near the one you want and move there. Alchemy is also insanely flexible so it does depend on the patch / preset that’s loaded, what is being used. I’d save a few different types from Alchemy that you really vibe with as starting points and add from there.

That, and, if you have some neat samples you really want to turn into grains, I’d go through Tom’s channel videos on the creation of a sampler instrument based on an audio region. One option in there is Alchemy, instead of Sampler. I haven’t done this, to be honest I haven’t made samples since the hardware / tape interface days of my misspent youth. Audio I import these days are often longer segments of field recordings from natural environments, basically taking the foam from one surf, the waves from another, the boom from another, create composits but I also use Amadeus Pro in that work.

So I’ve actually got no experience with doing grains, minus the manipulation of parameters on existing grains in presets.

I’d just get real comfy with the mute / unmute thing. For a while the voice bugged me, probably for the same reason it bugs you. Back in the tape days / analog synths etc. nothing talked to us at all so we just did all the work by ears alone. But years later I’ve learned when to tune it in and when to tune it out. Tom’s Mute toggle is really good because it kills VoiceOver Sounds as well. You have to add it yourself, it’s not in Keyboard Ninja though lots of other cool things are.

Speaking of Keyboard Ninja, the way they do play pause stop play from playhead, etc., is insanely intuitive once you get used to it. I’m a huge numpad commander user so I just turn that off when I’m using some of those keys. 

Trust me you’ll get so you record with an instrument patch, then during editing you’ll open the plug-in window while it’s playing and make adjustments to the internal synth parameters before you even do mixing on that track. Even something like changing the Amp envelope settings after you recorded it is just not something we ever could have done, but now we can as a part of the mixing process, at least us midi heads.  

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[Keith Reedy]

I could have not said it better!
Just get use to the program and most of all have fun!
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[TheOreoMonster LogicBand]

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