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Nick Briggs

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Jun 18, 2025, 2:44:13 PMJun 18
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We might want to add https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/6592.6597  "EXPERT SYSTEMS: PERILS AND PROMISE", which mentions a few system built in Interlisp (and LOOPS).

It might not be a bad idea to have something on the bibliography page that says how we expect people to submit suggestions for Interlisp related publications for inclusion.

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Paolo Amoroso

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Jun 18, 2025, 2:58:25 PMJun 18
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These are the documents about expert systems in Interlisp I shared in the June 18, 2025 external meeting. The first one was in LOOPS. The second one was a civil engineering system written with some sort of DSL or expert system shell described in the document, which includes several screenshots and lots of code.


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Herb Jellinek

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Jun 18, 2025, 3:23:53 PMJun 18
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Thanks.  I added it to the collection "About Applications written in
Interlisp."

        Herb

Paolo Amoroso

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Jun 21, 2025, 5:15:07 AMJun 21
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I came across these papers about the GROW system developed in Interlisp at Schlumberger (but not for Dipmeter Advisor). It was an advanced library for building graphical interfaces and animations based on the STROBE object system for Interlisp, as well as the Impulse-86 substrate for building graphical interfaces with STROBE. Do you know any of the authors?


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Herb Jellinek

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Jun 27, 2025, 5:25:02 PMJun 27
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After consulting with Eleanor Young and her forthcoming Interlisp Bibliography Intake Guide, I added all of these documents to our Zotero library.

Zotero automatically created full entries for the ones with DOIs.  I had to create entries for the others (Darn, Structural Design Language, STROBE) by hand, and I tagged those "Needs review."

            Herb


These are the documents about expert systems in Interlisp I shared in the June 18, 2025 external meeting. The first one was in LOOPS. The second one was a civil engineering system written with some sort of DSL or expert system shell described in the document, which includes several screenshots and lots of code.



Bill Stumbo

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Jun 27, 2025, 6:06:27 PMJun 27
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Herb - your comment reminds me of something I wanted to ask Wednesday, if I had been able to make the meeting.

This may be more of a question for Eleanor.  Does our intake guide say anything about how dates should be formatted when entered into Zotero?

I've been able to spend some time over the last week working on revamping how we display the bibliography on our site.  One problem I came across was there are several locations within Zotero that we have taken liberties with the representation of a date.  For instance '> 1984' - which I understand is meant to state we don't know the exact date of publication, but it was after 1984.

The problem is that trying to parse dates like this for ordering bibliography entries is problematic.  I'm using an open source bibtex parser and it believes dates are dates. It's pretty liberal on accepting date as month-year, year, month-day-year, October or 10, etc.  But it blows a gasket on '> 1984'. If we processed it where would a date like that be represented in a chronological ordering of papers?

Other examples I found are '2015-01/2015-03' and '02/29/2021'  2021 was not a leap year.

These all may be errors that are waiting to be fixed or, waiting for me to better document, so someone can fix them.

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Larry Masinter

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Jul 1, 2025, 6:11:14 PMJul 1
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my vote would be on accepting valid dates
  YYYY 
or
  YYYY-MM
or
  YYYY-MM     

as a "best guess"

and add a note for any variations




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Herb Jellinek

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Jul 1, 2025, 6:31:40 PMJul 1
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I concur.

Eleanor, can you please add this to the intake guide?

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Nick Briggs

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Jul 1, 2025, 6:35:56 PMJul 1
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I presume the 2nd YYYY-MM was supposed to be YYYY-MM-DD

I also agree that those formats are best.

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