Robert Knowlton #476, not 284

[Elizabeth W Knowlton]

I began answering this way back in 2022 and have been remiss (known as "busy") in not ever completing it.
However, please, all Readers, if you own Stocking's history, please correct the huge error of attributing Robert (who moved in increments from CT>MA>VT>NY>OH and fathered so many children who left so many descendants) as #284 when he is clearly #476.
    Please chime in with more comments or additions because the long gap since we last discussed means I may have errors here.
    I recently have found a plea made on Ancestry.com Message Boards [under Help, the old Rootsweb.com message boards] from a KJ Knowlton who also descends from Robert 476 but through his son Daniel (#598), whose birth date and mother are unsure.  I am hoping she will join us here.

[written 2022]
Hi,
    A few of us got involved in helping Kent with researching a woman's descent from Harold Ross Knowlton back to Ipswich, Mass.

His first work, using Stocking and other references gave him this line--which is WRONG, so do not copy--put here for teaching purposes w my correcting notes in brackets:
William Knowlton (1604-abt. 1655)
John Knowlton (1644-1728)->  [***b. abt 1646***]
(Capt.) John (1670 - ?)
Andrew Knowlton (1720-?)->
Robert Knowlton (1743-1831)-> [#476, in Stocking ***no source of proof found***]
Chauncey Knowlton (1795-1845)->  [ #595 in Stocking, m to Anna Phillips, death date  7 Aug 1841 in Mercer Co., OH, had 12 children]
Chauncey “LEVI” Knowlton (1818-1882)->
[ #1581 m to Amma Tuttle; I have his death date as ca. 1884, not certain; do not know why he is named Chauncey here rather than Levi, because Chauncey Sr and Anna had another son named Chauncey, #1587 b 26 Oct 1828 in OH and d 8 Oct 1908 Cass Co, MI]

[As often happened, the movement of Robert's family from VT>NY>OH>Indiana and beyond meant that until the 1850 census began to show whole families (instead of just Head), Stocking and the East Coast Knowltons lost track of most of the 12 children and their descendants.]
Chauncey Knowlton (1845-1924)->
Lloyd A. Knowlton(1883-1921)->
Harold Ross Knowlton(1918-1991)->

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 5:06 PM Elizabeth W Knowlton <knowl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Kent,
 
    Also, Kent, even with Patrick's good tree, I have some reservations. 
Robert's first wife was Rachel Perry.  Patrick has left Rachel's death unknown.
    After we all had struggled with this line for years, mostly Dean and Patrick, but others chimed in, Dean found some proofs that Rachel must have died before May 8, 1781.  She had given birth to her second child, Zerviah Knowlton  1 Apr 1781 in Woodstock, Windsor Co., VT.  [sources available]
    If that is so, then all other children must be those of the second wife, still unknown.  (unless born earlier than Zerviah, who was named for paternal grandmother)

    Patrick has the third child Daniel (named for paternal grandfather) born ca. 1782 and the child of Rachel.
    I have him born ca. 1785, based, I believe on census records, but those are fuzzy.  Because he is born after May 8, 1781, I attribute him to the second wife.

    What I am saying is that Daniel is not firmly born to either wife.
    But, since your researcher descends from Chauncey, 4th of Robert's six children, there is no doubt but that her ancestor is the unknown second wife.

Elizabeth

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On Thursday, February 24, 2022, 02:48:41 PM PST, Kent Knowlton <kpo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Elizabeth!!

I certainly am familiar with the names, Dean Case and Patrick Hays.I've asked her to persuade her brother to submit with YDNA. That would confirm descendency from John 2. I will now be able to guide her in correcting her tree. She is the granddaughter of Harold Ross Knowlton.

Dean, boy did I struggle deciphering that bounty request letter!

Thanks all,

K

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 5:23 PM Elizabeth W Knowlton <knowl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Dean, thanks for sending on the attachment.


No, the father of Chauncey is NOT 284.

We need to move from the present (Harold Ross Knowlton) to the past.  Always.  No point coming down someone's tree without solving each piece going up.  The reason there is no proof is that it is wrong.  Probably in Errata too--sorry, I did not check there. 

It has been decades since Dean and Patrick solved all this, filling in with many details.  If Chauncey (595) is your correspondent's ancestor, then his father is (476), whom I call ADHD Robert because he was all over the map, born CT, served in Am Rev from MA and married first there, moved to VT where first wife died, remarried (still unknown) and moved to NY state where he served in War of 1812 (excellent pension records), finally moved on to Ohio where many of his children had gone, and died at Chauncey's place.  A tough old man.

Dean and Patrick did wonderful work.  I am still filling in details in my tree.  Robert has Gazillions of descendants.

Here is Patrick's profile of Robert:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/1023088/person/24200645743/facts

He has taken the line all the way down to Harold R Knowlton
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/1023088/person/382094746528/facts

Elizabeth

[Sarah Knowlton]

Hello! 

I apologize for just now reading this. Yes, Harold Ross Knowlton is my paternal grandfather. His father’s name was Lloyd. I never met my grandfather but he died exactly 2 years and a day before I was born, and my grandmother (his wife) was like an additional parent to me in so many ways. 

I love that you call Robert “ADHD Robert”, and I will have to share that with my dad tomorrow when I call him. 

As far as my brothers and/or father submitting the DNA, I feel like they would need convincing from people who know what they are talking about. I am a novice at best when it comes to genealogy. I was really getting into it until I started teaching back in August. However, I plan to use summer break to get back into it again. Anyways, I feel that my dad and brothers would be more likely to submit their DNA if someone who knew what they were talking about (more than me), could explain it to them. I think the cost and not knowing/understanding how important it could be has been hindering my efforts in convincing them. 

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On Apr 1, 2023, at 7:44 AM, Elizabeth W Knowlton <knowl...@earthlink.net> wrote:



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