ICE agents confront poll worker during election

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/ice-tracks-down-poll-worker-144415430.html

So she did invite them to meet her at work, fearing what might happen if they met elsewhere. 
However, federal law prohibits federal agents from entering polling places absent a true emergency. Not exactly a true emergency here, methinks. 

What the poll worker did was post the name of the person who killed a protestor in Minnesota. No personal info, just the name. And it was a re-tweet from another person. For this ICE felt justified to demand that she take down her post and sign a document saying that she wouldn't do again. 

This is rehearsal for the November election. We might want to worry about various agents showing up at polling places. Their mere presence is intimidating to some voters; yes, even legal US citizens. 

[B Keg]

Talk about a misleading headline 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Yeah; but law specifically prohibits ICE or other federal agents from conducting business at voting places. Simple as that; invite or no, they aren't permitted. 

Their mere presence is intimidating to some. That's reason enough that they should not have been there. Period. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

The only people they intimidate shouldn't be voting. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

You mean Blacks and Browns? The ones that ICE targets, even if they are US citizens? 

Since you aren't Black (outside your heart), you'll never get how the presence of law enforcement might make a Black person nervous. But you always fail to understand how other people feel/think about things. 

It's one of your endearing charms. 

[B Keg]

I understand how irrational fear can make some people feel intimidated around police, but that is learned behavior, or in most cases the result of brainwashing.

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[kan...@aol.com]

So who brainwashes Black people who get stopped on 63rd St in Mission Hills for no reason. DWB. 

Who brainwashes Black people who see what they see with their own eyes? Do we suppose that they all watch MSNBC? 

Do we suppose that you know what you're even talking about? I don't. White progressives looking on might be brainwashed; but the victims and their friends/families have a front row seat to what happens. 

I'll believe what they have to say; not a FWT watching Fox News. 

[B Keg]

You do by inventing things that do not happen and spreading the falsehood that the police target black people.

You do by taking something that did happen (hands up don't shoot) and then lying about what happened and sensationalizing it on national media perpetuating a false narrative of systemic police racism.

Oh and by the way if being white means I can't talk about black problems, then you can't speak for them either.

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[kan...@aol.com]

You can speak all you want. As they say, it's a free country. Doesn't mean your words carry much accuracy or weight. 

You mean all those videos we've seen and all the accounts we've read about are just "fake news"?

I'll believe them over your very biased opinion on the issue. And you'll continue to deny that Blacks are subjected to any kind of biased policing, ever. It's all roses and unicorns in BK's rabbit hole. Equality is the name of the game, for all and forever. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Ok quick question, who is Roland Fryer and why did he receive death threats?

Answer because he debunked the whole police are hunting and killing black people myth. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Quick answer; you're full of shit. Even your attempts at making a point fall short. Here's some FACTS that seem to have escaped your shortcut to glass breaking:

In 2016, Fryer published a controversial working paper concluding that although minorities (African Americans and Hispanics) are more likely to experience police use of force than whites, they were not more likely to be shot by police than whites in a given interaction with police.^[17] The paper generated considerable controversy and criticism.^{[18][19][20][21]}

Fryer responded to some of these criticisms in an interview with The New York Times.^[22] In 2019, Fryer's paper was published in the Journal of Political Economy.^[17]

A 2019 study by Princeton University political scientists disputed the findings by Fryer, saying that if police had a higher threshold for stopping whites, this might mean that the whites, Hispanics and blacks in Fryer's data are not similar.^[24] Nobel-laureate James Heckman and Steven Durlauf, both University of Chicago economists, published a response to the Fryer study, writing that the paper "does not establish credible evidence on the presence or absence of discrimination against African Americans in police shootings" due to issues with selection bias.^[25] Fryer responded by saying Durlauf and Heckman erroneously claim that his sample is "based on stops," and that the "vast majority of the data [...] is gleaned from 911 calls for service in which a civilian requests police presence."^[26]

This comes from the Wiki on Fryer. Note that HE CONCLUDED that minorities are "more like to experience police use of force". HIS WORDS. AND note that Nobel laureates disputed the accuracy of his work. Other than that you've made a point. Other than the fact that you DIDN'T. 

Note too that NOBODY on this site says that police "hunt and kill blacks". Never said, never suggested. What WAS said/suggested is exactly what Fryer admits is true; minorities have a higher incidence of police force being used. 

But thank for agreeing with what we've telling you all along. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

 

Are blacks more or less likely to be killed by the police?

About the same.

Agreed?

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[kan...@aol.com]

I don't know. But say it's true. 

Are Blacks more/less/ the same likely to have police violence directed at them? 

More. Agreed?

[B Keg]

Hypothesis

Blacks are more likely to think they are stopped by the poloce just for being black and they think they are going to be killed by the police far out of proportion to reality. This causes them to engage in escalating behavior, due to the adrenaline rush and associted lack of critical thinking power caused by the flight or fight response. Thus they may in fact resist arrest more often than whites.

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[kan...@aol.com]

Ah, the "angry black man" hypothesis. Way to express your ignorance, racism and bias in one fell swoop.

 At least we can stop guessing about your thinking. 

The short answer is "no". Blacks don't produce any more adrenaline than whites. Any police interaction can be triggering. I get agitated when stopped for speeding, even though I'm not in danger of anything happening other than a fine. Last time I got a polite warning. Nothing like having on scrubs and a hospital ID badge. Best "get out of jail free" thing there is. 

Again, the answer is "NO". It will remain such until you can produce ANY evidence. The stereotype is pervasive enough that BLACKS have used it to defend illogical violence. 

The "Angry Black Man" concept generally refers to a pervasive societal stereotype that portrays Black men as perpetually, and often irrationally, angry, aggressive, or threatening. Rather than an empirical scientific theory, it is a socio-cultural trope deeply rooted in historical prejudices that negatively impacts Black individuals in everyday life. [1, 2, 3]

Origins and Social Impact

The stereotype traces its origins back to the era of chattel slavery in the United States, where it was used to justify the brutal subjugation and control of Black men who resisted their enslavement. Over time, this evolved into a cultural trope that is frequently weaponized to dismiss the legitimate grievances of Black men regarding systemic inequalities. [1, 2, 3]

In interpersonal and professional settings, the perception of the "Angry Black Man" can lead to profound consequences: [1]

• The "Tone Police" Effect: When Black men express valid discontent, frustration, or passion, their emotions are often unfairly categorized as "aggression," which invalidates their message and silences their experiences. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Implicit Bias in Recognition: Psychological research suggests that people often associate angry expressions with Black faces more readily than White faces. This can result in neutrally expressive Black men being falsely perceived as threatening or angry, a phenomenon known in social psychology as assimilation. [1, 2]
• Discrediting Testimony: In judicial, corporate, and educational environments, the stereotype is frequently utilized to portray Black men as irrational or overly emotional, undermining their credibility and causing them to be disproportionately disciplined or penalized. [1]

Coping Mechanisms and Advocacy

Many Black men feel immense pressure to carefully monitor their emotional expressions to avoid triggering this stereotype. This forced modulation—sometimes called respectability politics—requires an exhausting level of emotional labor just to navigate daily spaces safely. [1, 2]

[B Keg]

Awful misandrist of you to assume its only men, and I didnt say angry now did I. Nor did I suggest that adrenaline production is based on race. 

There certainly was at at one systemic racial bias in policing in numerous places. That is a part of history I think we can agree on. Whether it still exists or to what extent and where is debatable. 

What I am suggesting is that regardless of rhe reason its not as bad as it was but black perception hasn't moved. In fact it is often reinforced with completely false claims like the Ferguson case with the media sensationalizing and fanning the flames.if you will of these now irrational fear. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Ferguson, Minneapolis, Rodney King. The examples have been around for decades; and they're piled on top of 300+ years of outright slavery. So how long do YOU think it takes for this history to stop having influence? I'll give you an example. The Battle of Kosovo took place about 800 years ago, between Ottoman Turks and Serbians. Basically a battle between Christians and Muslims. During USSR's control of the area, under Tito, peace was enforced. And it persisted until the day the USSR fell. And on that day the same hostilities started again. It was still Christians v. Muslims; and the violence, mass killings, mass rapes went on as if nothing had ever stopped. 800 years later. 

So you get to tell us why Blacks should be forgetting their history; especially when clear examples of racist activity persist to this day. 

[B Keg]

Of course you would use Fergeson which has been proven to be justified use of force over and over again, and yet you still use it as an example of police brutality. This is the psychosis of the left.

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[kan...@aol.com]

Not psychosis, any more than someone ignoring 300+ years of degradation based on race. And now you suggest that all be ignored completely; as if nothing ever happened. And the psychosis of those (you perhaps?) that are trying to erase these years from textbooks, historical landmarks, etc. It's now considered "woke" and worse, "anti-American" to even mention this stuff in public. As for Ferguson, are you SO sure you know exactly what happened? Nobody else does. But ignore that event and focus on the innumerable other similar events that have occurred over history. 

Haven't we been told about you being teased as a child? Maybe the "fat white kid". If that baggage still follows you around, why should Blacks suddenly discard their baggage accumulated over generations? 

Very Trumpian of you to have a complete lack of empathy for those not yourself. Once of the features of sociopathy. 

[B Keg]

I didn't suggest that at all. If only want to argue with yourself then go ahead but dont put words in my mouth 

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[kan...@aol.com]

It's pretty much what you say. You accuse Blacks in general as having some kind of hair trigger when it comes to police interaction. You DID suggest that, right? I can quote your words back to you if you need. Do you need sock puppets to simplify your own points? 

That kind of over-simplification of how a group behaves is pretty much the definition of racism.  Here are your words:

Blacks are more likely to think they are stopped by the poloce just for being black and they think they are going to be killed by the police far out of proportion to reality. This causes them to engage in escalating behavior, due to the adrenaline rush and associted lack of critical thinking power caused by the flight or fight response. Thus they may in fact resist arrest more often than whites.

This is you making a blanket statement about Black males. 

I'd like to suggest that an "adrenaline response" would be VERY likely in a meth dealer/user, whatever their color. But you don't even hint at that issue. You focus entirely on how Blacks handle these situations. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Are blacks more likely to think they are being stopped for thier skin color, yes or no?

Are blacks more likely to believe that cops are out to kill them, yes or no?

Please answer yes or no.

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[kan...@aol.com]

Yes; and they're right. They DO get stopped more because of their skin color. 

I don't know how they feel about getting killed. Do YOU? 

So how do YOU propose to undo 400 years of slavery, racism, lynchings, KKK, housing discrimination, segregated schools and facilities, and now Trump? 

Sometimes when you think they're out to get you, they ARE. 

But as long as FWT's aren't targeted, you'll be happy to suddenly declare that racism/discrimination/homophobia/etc are now relics of the past. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Prove they get stopped more often because of thier skin color today because of the systemic racism of the police.

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[kan...@aol.com]

I don't have the stats. You're the law enforcement expert. YOU provide stats. 

Or we can just sit on 63rd St in Mission Hills and see all the DWB's with Missouri plates stopped there. 

So what are we to believe; you with all of your announced biases, or my lyin' eyes? 

Any research on this would be very difficult to do. If you just count up the number of police stops, you aren't getting to the heart of the matter. The real issue is how often Blacks get stopped for no legit reason vs. whites. Getting that answer might be genuinely impossible. 

And here's Google providing an answer:

https://www.aclumich.org/news/driving-while-black-what-it-and-why-its-important/

I know you'll knock the ACLU as a source; goodness knows they're are bunch of Godless commies (and Jews). 

But one study provides decent  proof. In DAYLIGHT blacks are stopped WAY more often. But at NIGHT, the stop rates are pretty much the same across demographics. So basically if police can't tell the race of the driver, stop rates equalize. I'd call that QED. 

I'll let you warp both those neurons of yours around that. 

[GMoney]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2026 at 10:46 AM 'kan...@aol.com' via Kansas City Diversity Coalition <kansas-city-div...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I don't have the stats. You're the law enforcement expert. YOU provide stats. 

Or we can just sit on 63rd St in Mission Hills and see all the DWB's with Missouri plates stopped there. 

So what are we to believe; you with all of your announced biases, or my lyin' eyes? 

Any research on this would be very difficult to do. If you just count up the number of police stops, you aren't getting to the heart of the matter. The real issue is how often Blacks get stopped for no legit reason vs. whites. Getting that answer might be genuinely impossible. 

And here's Google providing an answer:

https://www.aclumich.org/news/driving-while-black-what-it-and-why-its-important/

I know you'll knock the ACLU as a source; goodness knows they're are bunch of Godless commies (and Jews). 

But one study provides decent  proof. In DAYLIGHT blacks are stopped WAY more often. But at NIGHT, the stop rates are pretty much the same across demographics. So basically if police can't tell the race of the driver, stop rates equalize. I'd call that QED. 

I'll let you warp both those neurons of yours around that. 

I got stopped once for "no reason".

My friends and I were driving somewhere in KCMO, i think maybe on 39th street. This was when i was in college. KCPD lit us up. I was in back seat with one other person, driver and front passenger. We were not speeding. Cop turned on his search light and lit up the whole car. A second and third cop car arrived quickly after. They had us exit the vehicle at gunpoint, put hands on the car, and we were cuffed. Cops then searched the car.

"Sorry, you fit the description of suspects wanted for auto theft..... you are free to go".

Doesn't add anything to this discussion but......it's quite an experience to have cops pointing a gun at you.  

[Brian Kegerreis]

Yes it sucks

I got pulled over in Leawoood, KS and pulled out of the car twice in one night for fitting the description. 

Second time I asked him if I qualified for the frequent flyer program. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Yes; and what would that snarky language have gotten you if you were Black? 

We can take a guess or place bets. 

[B Keg]

I dont know. When I got pulled over in brown neighborhood by a brown cop for driving while white I was pretty snarky too. He accuse me of being there to buy drugs. I said am I being detained? For the next 15 minutes I explained I didn't have to answer his questions since he could not articulate a crime having been committed or me being suspected of committing one. 

At the 15 minute mark I asked him how his department would react to a lawsuit against them and him for unlawful detainment.

After 15 minutes I mentioned he had exceeded his free time and I would now have to start charging him for violating my roghrs 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Small potatoes, Brian. When my friend and I drove his OLD VW bus around the country in 1970, we were detained in Wisconsin where a university math dept had just been blown up. Lasted WAY more than 15 minutes. More like an hour. We sat in the VW while the officer did a prolonged background check. Snark didn't seem like the right choice at the time. 

Also stopped in upstate New York a week or so later, presumably for the same suspicion. And again on the New Jersey turnpike on the way out of NYC. They were looking for drugs, plain and simple. But they clearly profiled us based on the vehicle and maybe the California plates. 

So profiling is a REAL police thing. Not a surprise. But being Black/brown is most certainly one of the profiling tools. 

Beyond dispute. Not easily modified, not matter the lectures, etc. 

[kan...@aol.com]

G, it's scary to be sure. Unfortunately the police were going on information provided. Too bad that you fit the data. With guns drawn, they really thought you were the real deal. I don't suppose that you and friends did the BK snark routine. Seems best to let the truth unfold without conflict. 

[GMoney]

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G, it's scary to be sure. Unfortunately the police were going on information provided. Too bad that you fit the data. With guns drawn, they really thought you were the real deal. I don't suppose that you and friends did the BK snark routine. Seems best to let the truth unfold without conflict. 

BK's snark routine sounds like a well crafted piece of sovereign citizen jerk off porn. Probably a nugget of truth surrounded by heaping piles of "look how cool I am fighting tyranny" fantasy fiction. But who cares.

Fantasy aside....yeah, in the real world when a cop has stopped you and indicated suspicion of a crime you know you didn't commit...you cooperate. The truth is a powerful weapon to have in your pocket. Snark only obfuscates it and delays its victory. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

He could not articulate a reasonable suspicion of a crime. As a former cop I knew he was on a fishing expedition so the best thing to do in that case is to not cooperate. Take the 5th ask of you are being detained if not then you can leave. If so take the fifth and clearly state that you do not consent to any searches. 

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