Trump sends Californian National Guard to Oregon

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/05/us/oregon-trump-california-national-guard

This looks very "federal" to me. California Governor Newsom has sued over this. 

The interesting thing is that this is Trump's answer to the court refusing to allow him to deploy the OREGON guard in Portland. 

So this looks like Trump wants a national outfit that can deployed anywhere without regard to states' lines. Call it whatever you want; but this is federal troops acting on US soil against US citizens. 

BTW, it's illegal; except in extreme circumstances. And those circumstances exist only in Trump's increasingly damaged mind. 

Great interview on Democracy Docket with Ruth Ben-Ghiat; who is a real expert on autocracies. She draws all kinds of parallels between Trump and mostly  Mussolini. She throws in some mention of Hitler, Stalin and others. But Benito seems to be the closest comparison. The comparisons talk about how things got done; but also about the similarities in personalities. Sadly, Trump fits the profile quite well. 

[B Keg]

So when antifa attacks federal facilities and officials and interferes with their lawful duties while local law enforcers are unwilling or unable to stop it, what is a President to do?

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Go fuck himself, or play golf. 

Another sock puppet moment, Brian.

As much as you and your MAGA idiots want it to be, Antifa is NOT NOT NOT any kind of organized group. Period. If you have doubts, the Google can help you. 

And as much as you'd like to believe it, Portland is NOT NOT NOT a war zone, except in Trump's really shrinking mind. 

And, as I'm SURE you know, the Posse Comitatus act prevents using the military on American soil; except in extreme circumstances. And LA, Portland, San Francisco and Chicago are NOT NOT NOT war zones by anyone's stretch of the imagination (except you-know-who). 

And it really surprises me that you, as a pseudo-Libertarian and fan of the USC, support this kind of action. Trump is using state militias to go to OTHER states to carry out law enforcement. Sounds to me like he's accumulating a shadow military that he can deploy at his personal whim. 

So tell us  how this is nothing to worry about. Italy didn't worry about Mussolini when he did it, either. 

[kan...@aol.com]

Brian, I neglected to point out that Trump is trying to send NG to Portland from another state because he was denied the right to use Oregon's NG. Now, IMO, that's a clear attempt to subvert a clear legal ruling. Rather than appeal the ruling, he just tries to create and end run around the law. 

How Trump-like of him. 

The courts need to amend their ruling and just flat out deny him the right to use NG troops for purposes not named in the Posse Comitatus Act. 

He's clearly working toward having the NG become his own personal domestic military outfit. 

He also wants to send Texas NG to Chicago; again an end run around the ruling prohibiting the Illinois NG from being deployed. 

This is  behavior that has been seen in the past- Mussolini, Hitler, etc. 

But for some reason, we're not supposed to worry this time; as if the US is some magical place where bad things can't happen. 

Remember folks, Mussolini, Hitler, Putin etc, all have elections. They LOVE elections. They just rig them so that their approval looks like 90+%. It's part of the playbook. Trump is working from the same set of directions. He has committed massive resources to subvert fail elections, starting in  '26. Can't wait 'til '28. 

[kan...@aol.com]

A federal judge blocked President Donald Trump from sending National Guard soldiers to Portland, Oregon after already blocking him over the weekend. The judge, a Trump appointee, said the administration appeared to be sidestepping her previous order by deploying troops from California and Texas to the city. 

And this judge is a TRUMP appointee. When do think their house gets torched?

[Brian Kegerreis]

You didn't answer the question. How does the President protect federal property and employees when they are attacked by semi organized mobs of self identified antifa persons. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

You answered your own stupid question. 

First, antifa isn't organized.  There's that. 

Then, you said "protesters". One doesn't need to be protected from protesters. Their actions are legal. 

And then there's this:

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2025/10/portland-protests-2025-vs-2020-trump-conflates-the-2-but-facts-show-no-comparison.html

What Trump is describing is what happened in 2020. What's happening now is minute by comparison. But you've drunk the Kool-aid and swallowed the propaganda hook/line/sinker. 

Please do some Google searching and learn a few facts. Portland doesn't need the Guard. And Chicago isn't isn't near the top for murder rate. That goes to Jackson, Miss, Birmingham, Ala, St Louis, Mo and Memphis, Tenn. All Southern cities, all red states. Where's the National Guard when they're needed? Oh, I know. They don't make political sense. It only makes sense to go after more liberal cities, no matter how much they do/don't need assistance. 

I'd be happy to hear some rebuttal to  what's obvious. Just leave out the name calling, the Obama references, etc. Try to make a case that suggests that Trump is actually doing anything to improve safety in these cities. If 60 people are protesting at ICE in Portland, I think the local gendarmes can handle it. They don't need armed troops from Texas showing up. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

And in Chicago federal workers were surrounded by antifa types called for backup from the local police who were told to pull out if the area. 

Send in the National Guard. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/04/ice-chicago-extreme-force-protesters-journalists

Try reading this kind  of article BEFORE you make totally false statements, looking like a fucking fool in the process. 

Multiple NOT federal law enforcement agencies handled the protests. And only a very few protesters were actually violent. One drove her car into ICE agents. She was shot. 

All in all, it looks like most protests are 1A kosher. What is NOT kosher is Trump's deployment of federal troops absent a WAR. 

The language that Trump, channeled through Stephen Miller, is so vague that anyone, including fat, white truckers, can be stopped for no good reason. It's happened (maybe not FWT's, but other clearly US citizens). 

THIS is what any sane American should be focused on, especially one like BK, who clearly advocates for personal liberties. But Trump is really good about controlling the narrative; and using multiple media sources and lots of propaganda (i.e. lies) to advance his agenda. Any media that might be either progressive or neutral is too afraid to tell the plain truth. The only exceptions are smaller outfits. And they don't carry enough weight to counter Fox non-News and Trump's incessant tweets. 

We have a great example of propaganda right here on our humble site. Statements being passed on as facts that clearly aren't. Multiply a few million times and presto, you get Trump and his minions. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

The incident I described is real. Local Police in Chicago were ordered to leave the area and not help the feds deal with a hostile group.

So locals are unable or unwilling to help. Doesn't matter which one.

Send in the N.G.

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[kan...@aol.com]

Show us the tape. 

One incident doesn't make it a WAR. Trump has exceeded his office' authority by a MILE. Impeachable. 

And the  locals have been maintaining peace as well now as they did 3-5-7 years ago. Under Trump's first admin, Biden's, etc. 

If you think one incident calls for the US military to intervene, then you're a ..........pick you favorite insult. You've used plenty. And you're basically condoning military intervention for essentially no good reason, anywhere, anytime. That much "violence" can occur after a high school football game. You want the military called in for that? 

Trump's use of the military and his other criminal actions are  predictable, expected, awful. 

What's worse is your acceptance, given your stance on rights, etc. If a fuck like you can condone this, then way too many others will too. That kind of complacent acceptance is how Italy, Germany, Russia, Hungary and others lost their democracy. 

What in Hell makes you think we have some magic sauce that prevents the same from happening here. Trump is already talking about 2028. Will you condone him as a candidate? Will you even condone him trying to get nominated? 

If so, can Obama run against him? 

Trump is a dangerous, narcissistic stupid asshole. What's your excuse? 

[kan...@aol.com]

• In response to the legal and political pushback to his attempts to federalize state Guard troops, Trump and senior White House officials have raised the possibility of invoking the Insurrection Act.
  
  
• The rarely used law allows the president to deploy military forces within the U.S. to suppress rebellion, domestic violence or lawless behavior. It’s a significant exception to the Posse Comitatus Act, which generally prohibits the use of troops for domestic law enforcement duties. Legal experts have long warned the act is ripe for abuse.
  
  
• In addition to referring to anti-ICE protests in Portland and Chicago as acts of “insurrection” against the federal government, Trump in the Oval Office Monday said he may invoke the act to sidestep court rulings blocking the dispatch of Guard troops.
  
  
• “It's been invoked before," Trump said. “We have an Insurrection Act for a reason.”
  
  
• In a post early yesterday morning, Trump uploaded a picture of a 1963 Department of Justice (DOJ) memo regarding former President John F. Kennedy’s use of the act to enforce school desegregation in Alabama.
  
  
• Though he sent the letter without context, Trump’s post was clearly an attempt to justify his deployment of the National Guard, a potential invocation of the act, or both.
  
  
• Stephen Miller, Trump’s deputy chief of staff, this week said Trump has “plenary authority” to use the military domestically. In other words, he implied the power is absolute — an exception to the rule of law that cannot be checked by the other branches of government.

So this is the tealeaves being shown to us. Trump is waiting for "enough" protest to invoke the Insurrection Act. And then it's over. We're not seeing insurrection by any stretch. We're seeing protests; and not very big ones at that. But that won't stop Trump. 

Any bets on the over/under as to WHEN he invokes? I put it at less than 10 days. Hope I lose the bet. I've wagered the correct amount. 

[GMoney]

Where are our resident Libertarians......decrying this government tyranny???

One is silent, the other is on the side of the tyrants.

Viva Liberty!

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[David Fairchild]

Consider it decried. 

[GMoney]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 10:08 AM David Fairchild <dfairc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Consider it decried. 

Sweet.

[kan...@aol.com]

Dave, that's a start. How much decrying can we expect from you.? I'd love to not be the lone voice in the wilderness.