Two more people tried to stop shooters in Austrralia

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2341yx719o

Some Jews are terrorists, too. 

[B Keg]

If only they had guns

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

On Tue, Dec 16, 2025 at 7:53 PM 'kan...@aol.com' via Kansas City Diversity Coalition <kansas-city-div...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2341yx719o

Some Jews are terrorists, too. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Yeah, elderly folks with guns. No problem there. 

Of course you had to wade into the gun control issue. But talk about WEAK TEA. Mass shootings in Australia happen at the rate of LESS than one per year. 

Yeah, those gun control laws really suck. And when those shootings occur, Australia does something about it to lower the rate even more. 

Oh and BTW, gun ownership in Australia is LEGAL, regulated but legal. 

Gosh I wish you'd have a few facts at hand. True, two elderly Jews probably couldn't get licenses. Self  protection is NOT a valid reason to possess. Killing 'roos and dingoes is. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

But protection from terrorists is not...got it. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

I was speaking about how the Aussies handle gun  ownership. When the two shooters took up a high ground position and opened fire, it would not have helped  if a bunch of families hauled out their putative AR's and shot back. Most likely outcome would have been MORE deaths. The stats on shooter accuracy is clear; civilians can't hit shit with their guns. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Shooting at the shooters can make them duck and get nervous so they miss and mishandled a reload. Very useful to put rounds on target even if you don't hit them. Its called suppressibe fire. You really dont know much about tactics do you. I get it you arent the kind of person who will move towards fu fire thats OK. Im not asking you to.

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[GMoney]

On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 1:01 PM Brian Kegerreis <bkege...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its called suppressibe fire. You really dont know much about tactics do you. I get it you arent the kind of person who will move towards fu fire thats OK. Im not asking you to.

These lines are hilarious on so many levels.

Get with it Ken! Only an idiot is not versed in the tactics of laying down suppressible fire whilst walking their dog in the park....... 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Well yes I guess thats true. A person is an idiot based on the situation they are in and their lack of knowledge specific to that situatiin.  If we had universal military service or if people were active in their local militia they would know.

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[B Keg]

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I will take my guns, aling with the statisticaly very small incidence of mass shooting, most of which target people in gun free zones, the occasional mean tweet and freedom over the loss of the 1A subsequent to the loass of the 2A.

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Brain, you assume a lot when you tell us what I would do in a given situation. And as for suppressive fire, I'm sure all those nice Jewish family members would be able to spontaneously coordinate a counter attack. We've seen SO MANY examples of civilians defending themselves from high powered rifle fire. NOT. So are those nice Jewish beach goers supposed to be carrying AR's with their beach umbrellas, or just Sigs? A pistol from more than 50-100 feet is basically useless. And you know that. 

So I'm trying to imagine the BK dream of a beautiful beach crowded with thousands of sun worshipers, each with their handy AR at the ready. 

What a mucking foron. 

[B Keg]

Of course we dont see many examples of that in the US. But you saw a lot of that in a certain country in 1948..... why the difference? Because certain people trained for it. It really doesn't take a lifetime of training to engage in self defense. Its better with some than none zi agree, but it doesn't take a lot to better than untrained.  Its kind of like CPR. Its s simple life saving skill many people can do if they are trained. Even u trained they can be walked through by a wrll trained person. Same with a simple 1 or 2 person mass shooting. Even a little bit if training would bring pretty effective defense to the table in most cases. In fact one of the deciding factors in when and where to go on a shooting rampage in most cases is a where can they go to do the most damage with the least resistance. You know like gun free zones. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Well, Australia is essentially a gun free zone EVERYWHERE; and they have very few mass shootings. I wonder why. 

And 1948 participants had the assistance of the BRITISH military. Talk about well trained. You really should pay attention to history's details. And the participants were just ever so slightly MOTIVATED. You know, like a matter of life and death, literally. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

In 1947 the inhabitants who were arming themselves were considered terrorists by the British. The Jordanians were assisted by the British. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

After the Arab rejection of the Peel Commission recommendation, the revolt resumed in autumn 1937. Over the next 18 months, the British lost Nablus and Hebron. British forces, supported by 6,000 armed Jewish auxiliary police,^[40] suppressed the widespread riots with overwhelming force. The British officer Charles Orde Wingate (who supported a Zionist revival for religious reasons^[41]) organised Special Night Squads of British soldiers and Jewish volunteers such as Yigal Allon; these "scored significant successes against the Arab rebels in the lower Galilee and in the Jezreel valley"^[42] by conducting raids on Arab villages.^[43] Irgun, a Jewish militia group, used violence also against Arab civilians as "retaliatory acts",^[44] attacking marketplaces and buses.

By the time the revolt concluded in March 1939, more than 5,000 Arabs, 400 Jews, and 200 British had been killed and at least 15,000 Arabs were wounded.^[45] In total, 10% of the adult Arab male population was killed, wounded, imprisoned, or exiled.^[46] From 1936 to 1945, while establishing collaborative security arrangements with the Jewish Agency, the British confiscated 13,200 firearms from Arabs and 521 weapons from Jews.^[47]

The attacks on the Jewish population by Arabs had three lasting effects: firstly, they led to the formation and development of Jewish underground militias, primarily the Haganah, which were to prove decisive in 1948. Secondly, it became clear that the two communities could not be reconciled, and the idea of partition was born. Thirdly, the British responded to Arab opposition with the White Paper of 1939, which severely restricted Jewish land purchase and immigration. However, with the advent of the Second World War, even this reduced immigration quota was not reached. The White Paper policy itself radicalised segments of the Jewish population, who after the war would no longer cooperate with the British.

The revolt had also a negative effect on Palestinian Arab leadership, social cohesion, and military capabilities, and it contributed to the outcome of the 1948 War because "when the Palestinians faced their most fateful challenge in 1947–49, they were still suffering from the British repression of 1936–39, and were in effect without a unified leadership. Indeed, it might be argued that they were virtually without any leadership at all."^[48]

Brian, did you leave out part of the history on purpose or by ignorance? Clearly the Brits cooperated with Jews quite a bit, at least some of the time. I'll conclude that Israelis got plenty of military training from the Brits; which is exactly what I said. 

It's well known the the Jordanians were also Brit trained, and thus also effective fighters. 

[kan...@aol.com]

In 1942, there was a period of great concern for the Yishuv, when the German forces of General Erwin Rommel advanced east across North Africa towards the Suez Canal, raising a fear that they would conquer Palestine. This period was referred to as the "200 days of dread". This event was the direct cause for the founding, with British support, of the Palmach^[60] – a highly trained regular unit belonging to Haganah (a paramilitary group composed mostly of reserves).

News to me. Nothing like reading to clarify the past. Obviously, British training of Israelis was prevalent and meaningful. 

[kan...@aol.com]

The Yishuv rallied around the Allied war effort despite anger over British restrictions on Jewish immigration in the White Paper of 1939. David Ben-Gurion, Chairman of the Jewish Agency, declared that "We will fight the White Paper as if there is no war, and fight the war as if there is no White Paper." About 30,000 Jews from Mandatory Palestine served with the British Armed Forces during the war, more than 700 of whom were killed in action.^[61][62]

More of the same. I'll rest my case. 

It's not a coincidence that the Israelis are often regarded as one of the most effective fighting forces in the world. It' didn't come from a vacuum. 

[kan...@aol.com]

The Israelis took up arms against the Brits when the Brits tried to enforce immigration limits on Jews from Europe. 

Many of the Jews from Europe entered Israel ILLEGALLY!! Do you suppose that Israel should now remove them? Just sayin'. 

I mean, the news "illegal" were all European. The Jews already there were from all over the world. Different language, customs, experiences, etc. I mean, their way of life might not even be compatible with that of the lost established Zionists. 

Toss 'em all out? 

[kan...@aol.com]

It turns out that the Brits trained Arabs, too. Both Jews and Arabs participated in England's role in taking back Italy. They left Israel when they saw the various agreements regarding the land's future breaking down. Basically they abandoned their role in governing the "Palestinian Mandate". The rest is history.