Messages deleted on Gmail server when K-9 downloads emails.

[Alex]

Hi, not sure if this is by design or not. I just installed the latest version of K9, onto an SGS2, and I'm finding that when K9 downloads an email (ie. the body of the email) via POP, it deletes the email from the inbox on the server.

I'd like it to leave the email in the inbox on the server, as I only want them deleted when I download them in Thunderbird on my PC.

Is there a setting in K9 for "leave messages on server" when checking POP accounts?

Many thanks!

[Alex]

More Info: K9 leaves the email on the sever when it has only fetched the email header info (ie. subject etc. but not the body), as you would expect.

However, when I click "Download complete message" in K9, that is when K9 deletes the messages from the server. That's what I want K9 *not* to do. Is there a setting to disable that specific behaviour?

[Alex]

Even more info after another test:

When K9 is automatically polling a Gmail POP account, it may automatically also download the email body (if the body is less than the specified size in Settings). In that case, K9 *does* leave the email on the server (even though it has downloaded the body), but it still displays the "Download complete message" button, for some reason.

So the problem only seems to occur when the user clicks the "Download complete message" button. K9 will then delete the email from the server.

[Philip]

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> Is there a setting in K9 for "leave messages on server" when checking POP
> accounts?

If you go into Account Settings > Fetching Mail, there is an option "When I delete a message" which allows you to choose "Do not delete on server".
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Philip

[Alex]

Thanks Philip, however that is already the case. Both that and the "sync deletions" options are off. Anyway, it doesn't sound like they relate specifically to deleting email after fetching.

There is no specific option for "leave email on server", which is a standard option with all email clients I've seen on the desktop. Perhaps they overlooked that option, at least with POP accounts.

[Dennis Rockwell]

This is really weird. I can't find the setting, either, but my one POP
account *behaves* the way you describe, certainly that's the way I want
it to behave.

I believe that there used to be such a setting, since I remember setting
up this account that way, and so I'd guess that the control for that
setting got lost in some update.

I'm running 4.903 on an unrooted Nexus 7, Android 4.4.2.

Dennis

[Seth Holmes]

I tried setting up a POP3 account and also could not find the option to
leave messages on the server. Perhaps it's disguised under different
verbiage.

HOWEVER, you're FAR better off switching to IMAP which will sync state
between devices and leave all e-mail on the server until you delete it.

[Alex]

Thanks for the help, glad it's not a case of me missing the obvious! I haven't used IMAP before, so perhaps it's time to give it a try. :)

[Seth Holmes]

On 4/10/14, 2:43 PM, Alex wrote:
> Thanks for the help, glad it's not a case of me missing the obvious! I
> haven't used IMAP before, so perhaps it's time to give it a try. :)

IMAP will give you a feeling of joy and happiness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Message_Access_Protocol#Advantages_over_POP

[Gerry Matte]

Based on this thread there is no way to instruct current versions of K-9 to leave emails on the server when fetching emails using POP3.

I do not want to use IMAP (as Seth suggests) due to the confusion when multiple email clients on multiple devices are used to view and manage my email.

I'm concluding that k-9 can't be safely used for my purposes.

I will kill the current installation process on my phone so as not to risk data loss on my mail server.

Gerry

[Andy Figueroa]

You are incorrect about IMAP. It's not confusing at all. It's drop dead
simple. I regularly use 3 different devices to manage my IMAP email.

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[Valerio Messina]

yes, Seth and you should test well IMAP, work as expected using many
devices and many applications on each device, at the same time, sharing
the data perfectly.

IMAP is just a big extention to POP, simply it always leave all mails on
server on mail check. If you want (why, I never do that) you can
download locally by manual drag mails.

Valerio

On 05/29/19 05:22, Andy Figueroa wrote:
> You are incorrect about IMAP. It's not confusing at all. It's drop dead
> simple. I regularly use 3 different devices to manage my IMAP email.
>
> On 5/28/19 10:03 PM, Gerry Matte wrote:
>> Based on this thread there is no way to instruct current versions of
>> K-9 to leave emails on the server when fetching emails using POP3.
>> I do not want to use IMAP (as Seth suggests) due to the confusion when
>> multiple email clients on multiple devices are used to view and manage
>> my email.
>> I'm concluding that k-9 can't be safely used for my purposes.

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Valerio

[David W. Jones]

I access my email from tablets using IMAP, then grab all my mails at the end of the day using Thunderbird over POP3. Thunderbird is set to download and delete. Works fine for me.

I think when you set K-9 to use IMAP, you have to specifically tell it do delete emails. Otherwise, they're left on the server.
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[Gerry Matte]

I'm not sure why people believe I should care about their opinion of whether IMAP is better than POP3 (ego perhaps ?).......

In any case, for those who wish to know the answer to the question "Is there a setting in K9 for leaving messages on server when downloading ?" the answer is yes there is.  And by default K9 leaves messages on the POP3 server when it downloads.  If you wish to change the settings for a specific Account see Settings|Account|Fetching Mail" and the second from the bottom setting.  See attached screenshot.

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 at 4:06:08 AM UTC-7, Alex wrote:

[Valerio Messina]

On 05/29/19 23:15, Gerry Matte wrote:
> there a setting in K9 for leaving messages on server when downloading ?"
> the answer is yes there is.  And by default K9 leaves messages on the
> POP3 server when it downloads.  If you wish to change the settings for a
> specific Account see Settings|Account|Fetching Mail" and the second from
> the bottom setting.

are you sure that option is for that purpose?
Normally it is used to manually delete mail from Inbox local copy in
case of POP and local cache in case of IMAP, but leave (or remove) them
on server.

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Valerio

[Gerry Matte]

You may be correct Valerio.  Because I was looking at the Settings for Fetching email I interpreted the setting that way.  Re-Reading it now, I have to agree that the description seems to describe your interpretation more than mine.  So, I did not locate the appropriate setting to delete (or preserve) a server copy of email that is downloaded by POP3.  Thanks for pointing out the more appropriate description of the option I referred to.

For those like me who worry about preserving server copies of email, I can confirm by experience that by default the standard settings for a POP3 client seem to have preserved all my emails when downloading.

Gerry