Regarding the recent waves of mailing list spam

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R. Tyler Croy

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Apr 17, 2017, 11:53:45 AM4/17/17
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As you may have noticed, there has been an uptick in spam getting through to
the Google Groups run by the Jenkins project. On some lists, these have
resulted in Google flagging the group and bouncing emails from those groups.

This was discussed during our last project meeting
(http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins-meeting/2017/jenkins-meeting.2017-04-12-18.00.html),
and as promised I wanted to let everybody know where things stand and why.


If you receive emails as they're posted (non-digest mode) from Google Groups,
if a spamemr gets through, there's nothing we can do for you. While I have
added a couple more "Manager" roles to the jenkinsci-users@ list, who can ban
authors and delete posts, once something is delivered to your inbox, there's
nothing we can do.

Some people have suggested first-poster moderation, which is one option, but
not one I'm personally willing to turn on until more people are active
moderators. Unfortunately I took a weekend off from my morning-routine of
banning spammers two weekends ago, which seems to have led to the recent surge
and flagging of the group.


What we are evaluating between last project meeting and the upcoming one (April
26) is whether Google Groups is still a viable option for the Jenkins project.
A number of other projects have moved to groups.io, which would be a likely
destination if Google continues to flag our groups.



Consider yourselves updated, feel free to ping me on IRC (rtyler) with
questions.


Cheers
- R. Tyler Croy

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Mark Waite

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Apr 17, 2017, 1:26:52 PM4/17/17
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How much time do you think would be required per week for an active moderator, assuming we could enlist 5+ active moderators?

I'm interested, so long as active moderation doesn't cost me too much time.

Mark Waite

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Apr 17, 2017, 1:35:33 PM4/17/17
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+1 for me as well. I would definitely be willing to help out.

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Owen Mehegan

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Apr 17, 2017, 1:37:07 PM4/17/17
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Me three. It seems like ideally we would have some folks dedicated who are in different time zones, and if we each reviewed the moderation queue at the start of our workday, there would be minimal lag in posting. I'm in PST.

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Richard Bywater

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Apr 17, 2017, 4:29:49 PM4/17/17
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I'm more than willing to help out if it helps keep the mailing list free(-er) from annoying spam.  I like Owen's suggestion so to that end I'm NZT (+12/+13)

Richard


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Apr 17, 2017, 6:03:59 PM4/17/17
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I'm MST always. I ❤ Arizona.


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Mark Waite

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Apr 17, 2017, 6:19:53 PM4/17/17
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I'm MST as well,  Colorado


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Joseph P

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Apr 18, 2017, 11:10:51 AM4/18/17
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I would also be willing. Timezone CEST/CET :)

Arnaud Héritier

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Apr 19, 2017, 4:34:26 PM4/19/17
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Let's go
CEST/CET
Do we know how many new subscribers we have per day/week to see how many we should be to moderate new members ?

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Michael Hunter

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Apr 24, 2017, 2:13:48 PM4/24/17
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I am willing to help as well. Timezone: GMT, BST.

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Baptiste Mathus

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Apr 30, 2017, 6:42:40 AM4/30/17
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IMO, we should really enable, at least temporarily, first-poster moderation. I don't know what is the average subscription for people here, but I suspect it's ML, hence receiving spams before they possibly get deleted eventually from the GGroup archive. Hence no use. I'm in that case.

Aren't we now enough who answered to this thread or previously to enable this option? I don't expect an email would stay in the queue for more than a few hours with that amount of people? And this seems like a reasonable compromise for stopping spams here?

Thanks

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Mark Waite

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Apr 30, 2017, 7:44:31 AM4/30/17
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I agree with Baptiste.  When I've checked on the moderator queue after a flurry of spam, more often than not I've found that someone else had already handled the messages which google groups had detected as spam.  Enabling first-poster moderation will block the spam which google groups fails to detect as spam.

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Arnaud Héritier

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Did you add all of us as moderators Tyler ?

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Richard Bywater

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I'm assuming that not all of us have been added in to help the effort as I can't personally see any management functions...

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