Room evacuation

[Jamuna General Secretary]

Dear Jamuknights,

Our hostel is going to be handed over to DMA so room evacuation will be done. Please fill the form Dean sent for valuables in your room. 

Note:

1.If anyone locked their cupboard, the lock of their cupboard will be broken.

2. Since lockdown is going on, no one is allowed to enter insti.

Regards,

Kartikey

[MIDASALA PRANAV TEJA bs15b018]

Respected gensec/ hostel management / wadern jamuna hostel ,

Can you please be more specific on how the shifting is going to be happened , where the things will be shifted to and what measures will be taken so that the things are kept safely? 

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

All the stuff of the room will be added to a cartoon or bag and shifted to dump room(not decided till now). Valuables will specially taken care of. Warden sir will be there during the whole process.

If key of the locks are not found, they will break it. 

After evacuating the room, water disinfection jet will be used to disinfect the rooms by the corporation. This jet can harm the stuffs inside cupboard, so the cupboard will be emptied too. 

Discussion about it is still going on since it is an unplanned event. I will update you if anything changes in the above process.

Regards

Kartikey

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

In my opinion, there is a better way of dealing with the current crises instead of disturbing personal belongings of students and playing with their future career. The following solution should be raised in front of the dean and director:-

 

The classrooms can be given instead of disturbing the personal belongings in the rooms.

And moreover, some other hostels were vacated by the students before leaving. We were asked not to vacate and keep our belongings inside the rooms only. So, the already vacated hostels, classrooms, school buildings (KV and Vana Vani) and hospital can be given instead of disturbing the rooms of occupied hostels, in the absence of the students, as it may lead to loss of important belongings, which may even lead to irrepairable loss in the career of the students. 

Moreover, I am sure that the situation is not that much worse that the currently vacant hostels, school buildings, classrooms and hospitals would run short and our rooms would be even used, they are unnecessarily disturbing our rooms. 

Regards

Anmol Agarwal

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

If the purpose is sterilisation, it can be done once we come back. 

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[ABHISHEK RAO ee15b069]

Hello,

Thanks for the information.

Many of us already have empty suitcases in our rooms (which we can also easily identify when we come back). Would it be possible to ask the management to first try and put as many items into those suitcases as possible?

Thanks

Abhishek Rao

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

They can vacate our hostel if it is required in future but now, the situation is not that much worse. It would all go in vain and our rooms would also be completely disturbed. 

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:38 PM ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117 <ce16...@smail.iitm.ac.in> wrote:

[DEEPAK bs15b010]

This is also the violation of Article 21 of the constitution. Without taking permission from the Student, whatever they are doing is completely unconstitutional. They should review their decision and find some alternative options, also consider the options other students are suggesting.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

I completely agree with what Deepak said. They are playing with the careers of IIT students. I believe it would be good if they consider other options that I have suggested in earlier mails instead of unnecessarily disturbing the rooms in our absence. I agree that it is an emergency situation but they cannot sacrifice so many students for no reason, as situation is not that much worse. People who agree with me, kindly reply on this thread.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

I agree with you.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

One alternative can be the following:

Circulate a Google form asking students who volunterily wanted their room to be vacated. Use these rooms and other already vacated rooms for sterilization or whatever purpose. Remaining rooms can be sterilized after students come back to hostel. Kindly consider this.

[MIDASALA PRANAV TEJA bs15b018]

Given the present situation you can not predict when the situation can go out of hands and when things can go other way. So the district managment authority has to be ready  for all the possible situations that may arise. And under such circumstances "even the director has very less say when it come to handing over what ever is asked for by the disaster managment authority ".The quoted text was told by Dost. So all we can do is request the staff, who are working even now , to take care of our belonging and keep them safely and be thankful to them. 

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[AKASH MITRA ed16b002]

I totally agree with Anmol. There is plenty of infra besides hostels for such a situation. Its quite a dumb thing to cause inconvenience to the students when so much of infra is lying empty. There is the library sac clt departments etc. 

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[ADITYA ROSALYA bs15b003]

In addition to the Deepak's point ,even if the condition is critical or the case of emergency they can not suspend the Article 21 of constitution

Aditya

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[MIDASALA PRANAV TEJA bs15b018]

Under disaster managment act 2005 , section 30 the chairperson of district authority has the power to make new laws or emend existing laws in a district for prevention of disaster. 

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

Article 21 of Indian Constitution cannot be suspended during emergency because it states that no person shall be deprived of his life or personal liberty except according to procedure state by law. Under Menka Gandhi (1978) casethe supreme court held that the procedure must not be arbitrary, unfair or unreasonable.

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[SOURAV RAMES hs15h036]

Hi All,

The number of confirmed covid 19cases are rising exponentially in TN and Chennai has been identified as one of the hotspots. So, I believe that the situation is serious enough for such a measure. I don't think this is a valid situation to raise a concern regarding violation of fundamental rights and all.

All we can do is to request the student secretaries, the warden and the hostel staff to pack things in individual  cartons ( one or 2 cartons per room) or whatever and keep it in safe custody. Another option is to keep all the stuff from a wing (16 rooms) in 2 rooms in the same wing and evacuate the rest of the rooms. This way, it will be easy for us to figure out things once we are back.

Hostel rooms are best suited for creating isolation wards than classrooms or any other space( the key word here is 'isolation').

Desperate times require desperate measures. So, I believe it would be good to discuss about how to evacuate the rooms without damage of personal property than not cooperating with this emergency measure.

Regards 

Sourav.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

But, why they need all hostels? There are enough buildings nearby. They are sacrificing all students for this situation even though alternate solutions are available.

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[SOURAV RAMES hs15h036]

Dear Anmol

 

They are currently evacuating only 4 hostels as per the info I got. 

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Which all the hostels?

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

It can be made "voluntary". Whoever volunterily wants their rooms to be vacated, vacate their rooms and many people have already vacated their rooms while leaving the hostel. Their will be enough vacant rooms. 

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Yes that is what, it would be good. Then there would be enough rooms else many rooms will be vacated unnecessarily. 

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Voluntary allotment of rooms would be good as then the patients would also be isolated from each other. If they are kept so close then that would be lesser efficient option.

[ARVIND RAMANA RAO ch15b074]

Currently I’ve taken up residence in Chennai during the lockdown. If the lockdown is lifted, I can come by and take away everything, without any other party being involved. Please do try to keep this as an option in case the situation allows for it.

[DEEPAK bs15b010]

I agree with anmol, social distancing measures will also be taken care of.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Ok fine. Let us convey to warden that this should be made voluntary.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

Yes Anmol, pls convey. Pls let me know if I can help you in any way.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Yes. We can write together or Jamuna hostel general secretary can also say to dean and warden on our behalf.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

I think Jamuna Gen sec should convey our concern and cc to the concerned students. Gen sec pls take action.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

As of now 11 hostels from our institute are being taken by the corporation. Other than them, 3 hostels have students residing in them already. So for such a big need voluntary room evacuation is not possible. Corporation has asked 41 institute of their hostel facilities.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Sourav Rames, can you please tell which hostels have to be vacated?

Regards

Anmol Agarwal

[Jamuna General Secretary]

Corporation has done so by issuing notice to the director. It is not possible for our institute to not give hostels when notices are issued. 

[Jamuna General Secretary]

Please go through this news article 

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/chennai-hostels-to-be-converted-into-quarantine-facilities-823647.html

[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Yes. But they can appeal to the corporation no. So many students are sacrificed.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

To convey our concerns and inquire is our right. If we do not convey are issues, how they will come to know and find some alternative solutions.

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[Kartikey Sheokand]

I asked the warden already. Can our hostel be left out from this. He said no.

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

As you said, leaving out hostel is not possible because demand is huge. Pls convey him our concerns, tell him alternatives the other students are suggesting. I think whoever in email is not volunteering should be allowed to retain their valuables in their respective rooms, as no. Of students asking for it are few only.

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[AKSHAY SETHIA ee15b072]

Hey Kartik,

In all this discussion, please try to see the feasibility of the option put forward by Abhishek Rao, of using the suitcases (along with cartons from hostel office) in our rooms also to pack our valuables.

Also, is it possible to allocate one room in each wing as a dump room, so that the possibility of our luggage getting misplaced is reduced?

Regards,

Akshay Sethia

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

I called manager, he informed me that-

1. Every room stuff will be put in separate bag. For each student, there will be one big bag with his room no over it and stuff will be inside it. So no mixup of luggage between students

2. This bag might be put in another hostel, since GCC asked for full building.

3. There is no need to worry about the stuff management, they will do it and ensure everything is proper.

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[Prateek Mishra]

Hey Gen Sec, 

I do understand the tight spot the institute is in and although I agree with the fact that the DMA should be allowed to take the hostel, I see no meaning in the point - "3. There is no need to worry about the stuff management, they will do it and ensure everything is proper." Should we take this statement to mean that the hostel will actually take responsibility if something is lost or stolen? Will the students be compensated if something goes missing? In my experience, that will never happen. The hostel management and the warden could care less about this. Therefore, these hollow assurances hold no meaning.

This bring me to the point that there should be some transparency in how our stuff is being handled. The idea of having one room per wing as the dump room makes a lot of sense to me. And I'll urge you to bring this to the notice of the warden. And if at all that is not possible, we be kept informed of how our belongings are being handled. A comprehensive list of how and where our stuff is being dumped would be a good start.

Regards,

Prateek Mishra

5th Year Dual Degree

Dept. of Biotechnology

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[Kartikey Sheokand]

Till now the place where these bags are going to be put is not decided. Last time he told we may have to dump in other hostel. I will stay in loop with them about it. Even if they need to keep these bags in other hostel. I will ask them to put them room wise. I will also ask them to put these bags so that one wing's bags are going to be put in one room. 

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[Kinshuk Parmar]

@Jamuna General Secretary  can somebody please ensure that spillable items are kept separately? Like, oil, body wash, hand wash, etc. If kept together, they will spoil everything including books, docs, clothes and electronics. Kindly make sure to ensure this somehow.

Thanks a lot!

-Kinshuk

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

Okay will forward it to hostel office. 

[Kinshuk Parmar]

Thanks a lot, man. And all others, grow up.

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[SAI TEJAS AMBATI bs15b027]

Hey kinshuk, general secretary, warden and my dear jamuknights!

This is not about growing up! We all understand the current situation. But valuables are valuables. People are worried about them being kept safe. And according to what Prateek said if the hostel management is ready to give assurance to our belongings I don’t think anyone will have a problem. 

I personally have a lot of belongings which are very valuable in money wise and personally. 

I urge the hostel committee to take a wise decision and give us assurance for our belongings. If this is satisfied we all are ready to give our rooms. If this is not happening I ll be taking this matter further(court)for all my missing belongings and I am pretty sure most my hostel inmates will be handy to me in this matter.

I am again saying none of will have a problem to give our rooms once the assurance is given to us , written(pdf copy) or a mail attached to this thread by our warden. I urge our gen sec to take this matter to warden. 

Adding to the point it’s not about boasting or something I easily have valuables worth nearly 1L left out in my room, let it be shoes,watch, clothes, pens, old phone etc.

So I request hostel management to give us assurance before vacating our rooms.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

Your request is forwarded to warden.

[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

I completely agree with Ambati. The loss can cause not only financial loss, but also a big loss in career as well, if we lose any minute sized important things such as any pendrives or the material we have earned in the 4 years of study at IIT. This would affect mental health of students severely, then who will be responsible? So this matter has to be taken seriously. I understand that it is emergency situation and not in hands of IITM, but still we should be atleast assured that that ALL our belongings are kept safe in the way Ambati and Prateek said.

Thanking you

With regards

Anmol Agarwal

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[DEEPAK bs15b010]

Pls forward Anmol email as well to them. I am having same concerns as Anmol.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

Okay

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[UPPARA SRILOK SAGAR ce16b114]

Right now the priority has to be none of our things should come in contact with the process of dealing with the virus. I agree with Ambati's point that there will be a lot of valuable stuff and that's the reason the form is being circulated. Again there is nothing wrong in asking for a written proof that valuables will be kept safe. But remember this is an emergency not a regular vacation and hostel may not be able to provide the assurance as this decision isn't made by them in the first place but is enforced upon them. 

 

There is no use at this point of time to simply complain how the decision to takeover our rooms is illogical or bring in constitutional rights to defend it (i mean we all know how well the constitution rights are defended in our country). 

Instead of worrying about all this please suggest viable options like the one Abhishek suggested. The reason our hostel is selected is due to it's location (it is near to T Gate). This is better than selecting classrooms or other inside located places which will bring in more chaos as the first thing required is containment. The least thing we need at this time is to let the virus spread all over insti. 

Again Anmol don't get me wrong but I guess all of us do backup important files related to our career. So please don't make this into a petty fight. 

As I said earlier the only demand has to be a proper relocation with none of the stuff coming in contact with the patients. Shifting all the stuff to another hostel will be a mess and that will definitely lead to loss of valuables. So it's better to make the entire top floor available for storing with and sealing it off with zero access to anyone during the entire process.

Kartikey please look into this option. I will also suggest this to the warden and manager. Everyone else please suggest other ideas and strategies to get this going.

Regards,

Srilok Sagar

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[YASH DEEPAK PATIL ce16b137]

I agree with Srilok's suggestion of keeping an entire floor sealed for luggage. That will ensure everyone's safety.

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[Anand Iyer]

Hi guys,

Given the circumstances using the one floor of a hotel intended to isolate people suspected of having corona virus is not a wise choice in my opinion. We won't know if someone or the other will wander into the top floor and considering the fact that our luggage is in the top floor, the top floor won't be sanitized properly either.

Keeping all our luggage in a different hostel all together seems like a safer alternative given they are transported in a safe and secure fashion.

Regards,

Anand Iyer

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Well, it is not difficult at all to move patients to classroom just 1 km away from Taramani gate. Just thatvthe issue is not raised that if hostel is more difficult to sanitize than classrooms and if hostel has any residues left then it may affect us, putting our lives in danger. And they should give the written confirmation as everyone is agreeing before vacating the rooms. That is all I want to say. I agree it is the time of emergency but they can give a written confirmation as already said. And instead of making one floor dump room there should be wing wise dump rooms to avoid the mixing of everything and everyone's stuff and that dump room can be separated from patient's rooms by leaving one room in between and it would also be locked so the virus can't affect the luggage kept inside, it would be more viable I guess, by all means. 

Anmol Agarwal

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

And just to add, the issues which may affect the career are not petty. Please don't take me wrong, but I am just expressing my viewpoints and I don't want to offend anyone.

[ABHISHEK RAO ee15b069]

Anmol, 

Thanks for expressing your viewpoint. Even though I personally don’t agree with some of the points you’ve mentioned, you’ve definitely raised some points for discussion.

But in the future, maybe condense it into a few emails instead of the 15 you’ve sent on this thread so far? Your mails are drowning out a lot of other discussions/suggestions on this thread.

Thanks for understanding,

Abhishek

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[UPPARA SRILOK SAGAR ce16b114]

See Anmol you are worried about people using the hostel as quarantine ward citing the threat of the virus but still suggest that they can leave one room empty as a dump room in each wing while doing so, which are contradictory ideas. Please don't mention things like distance and all as there are infinite things that are needed for a quarantine. It is locking up people by providing enough facilities which hostels have by default. Noone would like the quarantined people moving around the whole insti including our messes.

I didn't say that career is not a petty issue but mentioning the safety of a pendrive is one, when you could have easily taken it home (if it's really important).

I guess there is no use for me making a point again and again that the decision has been made already by the Corporation of Chennai and the only thing we need now is better startegies to get through this. 

It is good that people are mentioning their opinions on where to shift the belongings. But as of now the manager told me that work has started only in Mahanadhi yesterday. Jamuna and other quadi hostels near to T gate / Mandak gate are not yet finalized but are the only potential places for quarantine use in the coming weeks.

The hostel council will put forward the suggestions and ideas made by all of you to the CCW through the warden and manager.

Regards,

Srilok Sagar

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[Sreenath Srikrishnan]

Hey Gen Sec,

If a video or photos can be taken of the cartons/bags packed with our belongings (segregated like Kinshuk mentioned) and our valuables then I guess it would be more reassuring. This along with maintaining a quick list of items collected from each room (as mentioned by Ambati) would be helpful for us. We can even share a template with the warden if necessary.

I'm sure many of us don't even remember half the things that are lying in our room and some of us including me cannot recollect if left any valuables there. So a photo/video of the things packed would definitely be greatly appreciated.

Also, I understand this an emergency situation so I don't expect this to be fulfilled but definitely suggest this to the warden.

Also to the others on the thread, a lot of the decisions being made might seem unfair or unjust, insensitive, inconsiderate etc. But the fact remains that regardless of constitutional rights or your views, Jamuna hostel is going to be used for the isolation of Covid patients.

Given this, let us try our best to suggest feasible ideas that will help make things easier for us. Ideas to ensure that our belongings are not damaged or contaminated and acccounted for, while also considering practicality are highly appreciated.

Stay safe,

Sreenath 

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[ANIKET MAHANGARE]

Is it necessary to break the lock on cupboards?? I have put all the valuable stuff in my cupboard itself. If they want to put something in the room, they can put it on table and all... 

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

I will suggest the points Sreenath mentioned to the warden. 

About the locks of cupboard:-

 Patients will be staying in that room if things remains in cupboard they will cause problem during santization and there will be completely random/unknown people staying in the rooms so security of cupboards will become a major concern.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Whatever Sreenath said is absolutely right solution. It would be fair for everyone.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

I talked about the suggestions with warden.

He said wardens are discussing among themselves too about making a sheet of items received and taking the photos. He said as soon as the plan is finalized he will tell me.

I also suggested him to not put the liquids especially oils with other items. He said he will do as much as he can for safely storing our luggage. Manager suggested in worst case scenario, we can leave(discard) oils and liquid items to safeguard all the other things of students.

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[DIVYASHISH CHOUDHARY ee15b086]

Hi everyone,

Hope everyone and their family is safe and healthy.

I believe if packing will be done for so many rooms , it will be impossible for the packers to be very careful regarding segregation of liquids/oils.

I advice that we tell them to discard them for the safety of all other items( the second option in Kartikey's mail)

Anyway these won't have a lot of economic value to anyone.

Thanks 

Divyashish

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Else keep in a polythene.

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[SHANKAR LAL ce16b125]

For your kind information Anmol, plastic is ban in insti.

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[B V NIRMAL RAJ ee15b078]

Hey Kartheek,

Building on Shreenath's points I think if the staff can video call us while vacating our room it'll make the process even better. We can give directions on where the valuable items are so that they can handle it with care. We can also ask them to discard any daily use items like oil which could possibly leak. I'm not sure if video calling everyone would be possible. 

- Nirmal.

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[ANMOL AGARWAL ce16b117]

Yes that seems to be viable option. For those who can't do video call, video recording can be done and sent to them.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

Video call for every room might be infeasible in emergency situation. I will request the warden and manager to :-

If possible call the student if they donot find his valuables in his room as they already have collected the phone details through valuable's google form.

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[B V NIRMAL RAJ ee15b078]

Yes, calling everyone is definitely not feasible. When there's an issue let's make sure they have the chance and information to call (audio/vide) us. 

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[SHISHIR G EE15B134]

Hi GenSec,

      Can I know the current status? Have the rooms been evacuated yet? If yes, is the hostel being used now for quarantining people?

Regards,

Shishir.

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[Jamuna General Secretary]

Till now, no room is emptied in our hostel.

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