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Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) 


Reading portions in the sample at weblink, there are sections in the book/s etc by Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whiteley, where there are claims and rants against Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) directly blaming, Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr), on account of his, Christo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr). 


I don't believe this is the right thing to do when discussing Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr). 


Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whiteley, also outsources / exports Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) to governance systems of communism / kibbutz and capitalism --  Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr) is linked to communism / kibbutz and Christo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr) is linked to capitalism.


Again I don't believe this is right thing to do when discussing, Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) because the philosophy of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) has both governance systems of capitalism and communism / kibbutz, for example, Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr)  philosophy is "Every town and village" a two places philosophy.  So both governance systems of capitalism and communism / kibbutz are there in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).  


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KILLING FOR KEITH: Doktorski’s Deranged Attack On Sulocana Dasa Prabhupada’s Perfect Disciple Paperback – September 24, 2020

“Henry Doktorski’s recent book called Killing For Krishna – The Danger Of Deranged Devotion, falls in the same category as ISKCON’s biography of Srila Prabhupada. It is an offensive book of poisonous slander that is nicely sugar coated with false glorification, so that the foolish will swallow it and thus commit spiritual suicide.

The only difference between the two books is that Killing For Krishna lacks any of the subtleness of ISKCON’s biography. Doktorski’s slander of Sulocana is totally gross and in your face, unlike Satsvarupa’s slander of Prabhupada which has a more covert nature. The amazing thing is that so many “devotees” claiming to be Prabhupada followers praise this offensive book that slanders Sulocana on page after page!” (Mukunda dasa – Killing For Keith Chapter One)

“Doktorski wants to pervert true history with his offensive books. It has been the standard sinister practice for the last 120 years for the demoniac to distort world history and Doktorski being cut from the same cloth tries to do the same with the history of ISKCON!”

“This is why you have tried to use this “deranged devotion” as an equalising tactic. This is the driving force behind your slander of Sulocana prabhu. You cannot allow Sulocana to be recognised and glorified for who he truly is.

If Sulocana is rightly celebrated as Prabhupada’s perfect disciple then year after year as his glorious fame shall increase more and more, simultaneously the infamy of Kirtanananda shall also increase year after year of the golden age.”

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There is of course a plan for why Henry is doing that. He is very active on Facebook and posts two to three posts every day. It's all about driving away the Western devotees and suggesting to the Western devotees that Srila Prabhupada is responsible for all the chaos. Henry attacks Prabhupada. The aim, as you can already see, is to leave the empty Western temples to imported Russian devotees, Indian devotees, South American devotees, and African devotees. The ISKCON elite does not want European and American devotees within the movement. He also says that it was the only right thing to do that  Sulocana was killed. Henry definitely was an infiltrator and never a devotee.

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Ok, my mistake, Puranjana (PADA) says that Henry is a good man and I am a toxic fellow. Sometimes we make mistakes. Of course, he could have also explained this on this forum but he obviously doesn't want to get involved with such low-class offenders anymore.

http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2024/02/re-henry-doktorski-trivrikrama-swami-02.html


https://www.facebook.com/Henry.Doktorski.III/posts/10230969519962848

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Devotees are not being made in the West for the past 20 years, has nothing to do with PADA or Henry. I said many times already that some of Henry's work in identifying the key players in the Sulochana murder at New Vrndavana has been important, but I never said all of his work is 100%. I also never said you were an offender, but you are missing what I explained already in detail on my blog. There is nothing further to explain, I have already explained all this many. many times already on my blog. But yeah, if you make up false statements, that I said you are toxic person, then you are doing what the GBC and all the rest of them does. ys pd   

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Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) - part 2


Tropic of Concern / Tropic of Cultural Appropriation


I am concerned Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) is becoming a ground for different Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) quarreling with each other, for eg. Cristo and Judeo,  Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr).  This causes Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).  


Cultural Appropriation happened in Iskcon corporations and it became violently lethal when Iskcon corporations  murdered Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in 1977.


Cultural Appropriation by former members of Iskcon corporations has not gone away either in their Autobiography, Biography and Corpbiography (A.b.c.) stories and the subject area of who is to blame for Iskcon corporations child student abuse eg. in writings of Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski and Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely, when they are inescapably indicating or discussing Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).  


Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski and Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely, both of different folds, are not connecting that dispute or mutiny in Iskcon corporations is because of different Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) quarreling with each other eg. Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr) quarreling with Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr) etc. 



Tropic of Sub 


Let me clarify, in modern capitalism very secular times and very networking times, Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) have both: sub (i) place of worship, and, sub (ii) virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks).  The latter or sub (ii) can be quite subtle and secretive unknown to others and even to the ultra mindful Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) adherent.   


In fact, the sub (ii) or virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks) is what drives capitalist-commerce, clubs, organizations, lodges and diplomacy etc. - basically 'makes the world go around' and even makes personalities of people, and is thus enterprising, inventive and dynamic, but also can be inversely a mental health issues, non-communicable and communicable wet dream disease / Bonnie and Clyde issues and even conspiratorial as 'power corrupts'.  But strangely and oddly by force of maya or illusion and materialism the sub (ii) or virtual communism / virtual kibbutz, prefers place of towns (including cities) and it attacks the place of villages.



Tropic of Capitalism   


Unfortunately, also the sub or (ii) of Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) -- ie. the virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks)  of 'capitalism-sort' want to prevent actual 'real' villages from ever being formed -- by this I mean Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz, from ever establishing worldwide. This is because the towns (including cities) were capitalism-borne, thus were / are fearful of losing wealth, and towns (including cities) is where sub or (ii) the virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks) are usually powered from and so have an upper hand in deciding whether villages be Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz or not.  Furthermore, due to virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks) of 'capitalism-sort' being very materialistic, they dislike Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) per se as they are attached only to Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) or dislike Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) call for villages being real ie. Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz. Also in towns (including cities) the capitalist-sort want to prevent the fair Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-virtual (Nv) capitalism / Non-virtual (Nv) taxation, and decoupling away from centralized virtual communism / virtual kibbutz (very private networks) passing off as in name of public service.



Tropic of Communism


Inversely, also strangely and  oddly, as seen even the so-called communists / kibbutz-ists leaders from their virtual communism / virtual kibbutz (very private networks) of 'communism-sort / kibbutz-sort' attack also just as capitalists leaders do from their dedicated virtual communism / virtual kibbutz (very private networks) any trajectory  which might lead to 'real' villages of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz due to dislike of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr), and also any trajectory which might lead conversely to 'real' towns (including cities) being of Non-virtual (Nv) capitalism / Non-virtual (Nv) taxation. The communism / kibbutz leaders in their dedicated virtual communism / virtual kibbutz (very private networks), were of the background of sub or (ii) of Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) only, and they just did not believe in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).  Had they believed in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr), they would have allowed the towns (including cities) to have capitalism rather than force communism / kibbutz in towns (including cities) and allowed villages to be of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz and abandoned the centralized virtual communism / virtual kibbutz (very private networks) passing off as in name of public service.



Tropic of Krishno


Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) philosophy is "Every town and village" where towns (including cities) have capitalism governance system and villages have communism / kibbutz governance system.


Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski, who was involved in New Vrindaban village / Palace of Gold village, in Moundsville, in West Virginia, in America, an Iskcon village locale, and has written about Iskcon's crimes in and outside its village locale, has ignored the fact that the village locale was not run on terms of Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz. 


In fact, Hare Krishna founder, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, who brought  Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) philosophy of "Every town and village" to USA, his Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz instructions were not followed and rejected by Iskcon corporations in America, so New Vrindaban village / Palace of Gold village was unregulated leading to Iskcon corporations crimes.


Thus, Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz never got established in America and hence in Iskcon's New Vrindaban village / Palace of Gold village.  Effectively, Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz got banned in America by Iskcon corporations which in effect was indication of Iskcon corporations' Culture Appropriation as by not accepting Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz, they subtly banned Hare Krishna founder, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami himself, even before Iskcon corporates murdered Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.


Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely, criticizes  Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski, but ignores / rejects Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) philosophy of "Every town and village" -  where towns (including cities) have capitalism governance system and villages have communism / kibbutz governance system. 


So, crimes of Iskcon corporations are mostly grounded by rejecting Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz in America and outside.


The meaning of village is  Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz through eyes of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) philosophy of "Every town and village".  


Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski and Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely, all want to spread Krishno Consciousness religion but on their terms and conditions which is basically similar to Iskcon corporations' decision of Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) sub (ii) virtual communism / virtual kibbutz  (very private networks) with no "Every town and village" where villages are grounded in Non-virtual (Nv) communism / Non-virtual (Nv) kibbutz.  


Thereby both Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski and Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely continue the Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) philosophy as Iskcon corporations do.




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An interesting point about village life is communism vs city life is capitalism. But for running a kibbutz there is no KC required. The problem in NV was that the NV complex eventually became disconnected from the parampara due to over-endeavoring for material result. Of course, when Prabhupada saw they were determined to stay there he sanctioned it. Prabhupada mentioned that e.g. during the long winter season, all agricultural activities stopped in NV. "In the winter, the activities there are almost suspended". Year-round farming is possible in Florida, California, Texas, Arizona, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, South Carolina, Mississippi, New Mexico, Hawaii, Washington, and Oregon. So the NV Palace of Gold turned into an egotrip of Kirtanananda. Kirtanananda and his friend Hayagriva both came from city life and had no knowledge of running a complex farm operation. To run a farm today, in-depth training is required. Otherwise, a farm is liable to quickly accumulate huge debts, millions, see Google search. Having devotees collecting for the maintenance of a farm permanently is not an example for other farmers to follow. There are about 270 kibbutzim across Israel at their heart, kibbutzim are small towns — typically with somewhere between 100 and 1,000 residents — historically centered around collective farms. But there farming is possible all year round and they produce huge amounts of food.

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Addendum


1 I have put the word 'Kibbutz' next to 'Communism' as to mean same in parts 1 and 2, though on hindsight I should have put instead 'Kibbutz-Moshav' throughout next to 'Communism', as 'Kibbutz' is composed of non-family units and 'Moshav' is composed of family units.  


2 I have put 'villages' as being 'Kibbutz' units in parts 1 and 2, when on hindsight I should have put instead 'villages' being 'Kibbutz-Moshav' units. 


3 My meaning of Kibbutz (non-family units) and Moshav (family units) is for traditional agrarian / agriculture-based (non-industrial) self-sufficiency per Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami who is the founder of the Hare Krishna philosophy in USA's USA and other USA's countries.


4 I should also clarify that Kibbutz traditionally chimes to collective farming land and Moshav traditionally chimes to equal parcels of farming land, thus for example, in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Kibbutz-Moshav, the village, Krishno Kibbutz-Moshav 'temples' of brahmachari (male and female celibate students) and sannyasa (renunciates) activities naturally blend towards Kibbutz side (because these are non-family units) in Kibbutz-Moshav word / phrase, and, self-sufficiency by 'family units' in Kibbutz-Moshav naturally blend towards Moshav side in Kibbutz-Moshav word / phrase.      


5 Though I use Kibbutz-Moshav hebrew words to mean villages and it's villages where communism is best placed, rather than communism being placed in towns (including cities), I also do not mean my use of Kibbutz-Moshav in purpose and function or is same as Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (Mtr) Kibbutz and Moshav villages, because Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Kibbutz-Moshav villages philosophy is entirely based on orders and precepts of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, the founder who brought Hare Krishna movement to USA's USA, but his was murdered by Iskcon corporates in 1977. 


6 Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami is meant to be resurrected.    






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The N.I.M.A.I. Instruments but Crinimal-Politics Kilter is the Sinister Movement stopping also Village Communism / Kibbutz-Moshav 


Question


Is 'crinimal'-politics kilter there to facilitate 'Necessity Is Mother At Invention' / the N.I.M.A.I. and N.I.M.A.I. resulting in 'crinimal'-politics kilter causing similar and inverse solstice algo and rhythm mixing ways then in effect 'crinimal'-politics kilter is the "sinister movement", which is inside the insidious virtual communism / virtual kibbutz-moshav (very private networks) described in part 2?



Questioning the Question


There are word plays on a word spelling of "criminal-politics kilter" with "m" in "criminal" moved to "n" position and vice-versa, the lower "L" swapped to "i" resulting in word "crinimal'-politics kilter." Also, there's proverb play in changing "Necessity Is Mother Of Invention" into "Necessity Is Mother At Invention / the N.I.M.A.I." with both word plays exposing the word "Nimai" in lower case letters in one - the word "crinimal" and acronym upper case letters in other, the Nimai name of Lord Caitanya, the maha-mantra singing and dancing devotee incarnation of Krishno, the Supreme Personality of Godhead are hinted.


Let us suppose (i) politics is indeed criminal kilter and also let us suppose (ii) the 'vikas' or development ie. 'Necessity Is Mother At Invention' / the N.I.M.A.I. done in name of progress that 'crinimal'-politics kilter takes credit for also gets affected.  Now why is N.I.M.A.I. there in the question indicating both are Nimai's / Krishno's desire?  



Answer


- Instrument


We need to look at Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's magazine, Back to Godhead, written and published also by Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in India before arriving to America - the pre-1965 magazine mastheads:


i.  From October 1944 print where there is the word "instrument" is there encapsulated in 20 capitalized words as, "AN INSTRUMENT FOR TRAINING THE MIND AND EDUCATING HUMAN NATURE TO RISE UP TO THE PLANE OF THE SOUL SPIRIT"



Or 


ii. The masthead saying "instrument" in parenthesis "(An instrument for training the mind)" 6 words on left side and "(It educates humanity of its Divine nature)" 5 words on right side, seen in June 20, 1956 print


Or


iii. Also, this masthead with "instrument" word "(An instrument for glorifying the Absolute)" 6 words on left side and "(It revives man's Divine nature)" 5 words on right side, seen in October 20, 1958 print



In all three examples importance is given to "instrument", in the first 2 examples, where the Content Of Magazine (C.o.m.) is meant for personal development or training the individual mind and in example 3, the Content Of Magazine (C.o.m.) is meant for spreading the name and fame of Nimai / Krishno, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.  The Back to Godhead magazine instrument was on one hand Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami following orders of his spiritual master to preach in english language, and on other hand it was a reaction against 'crinimal'-politics kilter in the Gaudiya Math group of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's spiritual master whose Gaudiya Math group had been taken over by certain in-fighting disciples - the 'crinimal'-politics kilter. Also, the Back to Godhead magazine-instrument started in 1944 but there were some gaps where the periodical was not published - so this means Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's Back to Godhead magazine-instrument got some solstice algo and rhythm sway because it suffered others forms of 'crinimal'-politics kilter also such as, for example, printing paper restrictions imposed by 'British-India' government 'crinimal'-politics kilter / "sinister movement" even on a spiritual religious publication on excuse of Second World War.  Thus appearance of instruments is not plain sailing, there is the 'crinimal'-politics kilter the sinister movement.  


Another example is two heart attacks Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami suffered on board the Jaladuta cargo ship in 1965 on his way to America as there was tension before going on this voyage between Jaladuta cargo ship owner Sumati Morarjee of Scindia Steam Navigation Company in India who initially stopped Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami from leaving India to going to America causing in him tension.  This tension could have been like   

surface tension which exists when free flow water is pulled by surfaces which are not designed or installed correctly to allow the free flow water to flow some distance away from surfaces enough to stop surface tension. This unique voyage was  'Necessity Is Mother At Invention' / the N.I.M.A.I. though  some 'crinimal'-politics kilter was there as Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami  was being stopped from accessing the voyage to perform the orders of his spiritual master. 



- Crinimal-Politics Kilter


As kilter politics is of criminal nature, the "vikas" or development or "C.o.m." or 'Necessity Is Mother At Invention' / the N.I.M.A.I. encouraged by 'crinimal'-politics kilter union through policies and edicts, it is also criminal because it is not Non-Virtual (N.v.) but instead Virtual by its remoteness, impersonalism, not open and is not dedicated to Nimai, Krishno, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. 


So in Iskcon corporates'  'crinimal'-politics kilter was / is rife, coupled to the creative Lord Brahma's 'Necessity Is Mother At Invention' / the N.I.M.A.I. waves it brought with it the similar and inverse solstice algo and rhythm, caused student child abuse in Iskcon corporations. There was no black and white - the Non-Virtual (N.v.) communism / Non-Virtual (N.v.) kibbutz-moshav uptake of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's instructions for communism / kibbutz-moshav places - the "village" in "Every town and village" philosophy  dedicated to Nimai / Krishno, the Supreme Personality of Godhead by Iskcon corporates.  'Crinimal'-politics kilter in Iskcon corporates' silently prefer status quo of Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) and did not want to be bothered by Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-Virtual (N.v.) communism / Non-Virtual (N.v.) kibbutz-moshav instructions of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami. 



- Cultural Appropriation


Now former Iskcon corporate members quarrel with each what caused / causes student child abuse in Iskcon corporations using Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) to snipe at each other criticizing directly or indirectly either Judeo or Cristo, Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr). 


Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely takes it out against former Iskcon corporate members and anyone of Judeo, Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) linking it to communism / kibbutz-moshav and anyone showing interest in communism / kibbutz-moshav even though "Every town and village" philosophy of Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) advocates it for villages.  


Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski subtly attacks non-specifically and indirectly Cristo, Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) (as most of the student child abuse crimes in Iskcon corporates were supposedly done by those of Cristo, Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) backgrounds - coincidentally indicated by the Iskcon student child abuse case in America starting only after Cristo Catholic child abuse in Dallas and by same firm of lawyers Windle Turley) without Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski explaining essential Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) Non-Virtual (N.v.) communism / Non-Virtual (N.v.) kibbutz-moshav instructions of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami were not accepted by Iskcon corporates. 


So both Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski  are different sides of same coin of Mother Tongue Religions (Mtr) but using the currency of Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr).


The shadow and eclipse on Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr) and Non-Virtual (N.v.) communism / Non-Virtual (N.v.) kibbutz-moshav instructions of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami happened and happens in Iskcon corporates because of  'crinimal'-politics kilter and is the sinister movement.


Nimai / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (Ftr)  is being Culturally Appropriated by these means and I don't believe this is right. 



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Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's wearing (i) reading glasses and (ii) sunglasses indicate orders of (i) reading his writings and (ii) protecting Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) by village communism / kibbutz-moshav, respectively 



Spex


Spectacles worn (personal wearables) due to eyesight needs by Gaudiya Vaisnava Spiritual Masters of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.): 


  1. Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati (previous diksa guru), and 

  2. Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami (current diksa guru),

show a connection to their priorities and edicts to their disciples.



Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati's specs


Because Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in historical visual images is seen wearing glasses full time, it indicates nearsightedness (myopia - where objects in the distance being blurry) as also there is an image where Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati is without glasses and they are on table with Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati  holding a writing instrument to write and looking at the  camera.  


So the eyesight impairment of not being able to see properly with only eyes sans glasses the distant objects is a spiritual connection to Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati  wish to see sanatana dharma or eternal religion Krishno Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) spread to far-off countries or distant countries viz-a-viz internationally which at the time was blurry to Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati.  He wished this spiritual vision to be manifested and so ordered  his disciple Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami  to be the instrument as like his glasses and spread Krishno Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.)  mission internationally. He felt it was important also for India as inhabitants there were falling into maya or illusion prodded by corporator artifice British Raj but nonetheless he did not wish Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami to waste time in India's freedom struggle and instead wanted Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami to preach Krishno Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in the internationalized English languages.  



 Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's specs 1 - reading glasses


Here glasses worn by Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) are different to Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati because here images of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami indicate farsightedness (hyperopia - not being able to see clearly close by). So not being able to see with only eyes sans glasses the personal reading text in form of books and letters etc.  To correct this  Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami wears reading glasses. Thus, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami only wears reading glasses part time - during reading times. 


As a result of wearing reading glasses there is a spiritual connection because Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami several times orders his Krishno Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) books to be read by his disciples both aspiring and initiated and Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami wishes his books be distributed to the public to be read.       



Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's specs 2 - sunglasses / shades / sunnies


Reading glasses are not the only type of glasses  Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami wears.  Because he also wears in year 1977, sunglasses. What do sunglasses indicate? Sunglasses are worn for eye protection.


So sunglasses worn by  Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami also have spiritual connection for his disciples and well-wishers and this is wishing protection to be given to Krishno Consciousness / Krishno Consciousness (Father Tongue Religion, F.t.r.) by having village-only communism / kibbutz-moshav, not at town (or city) communism / kibbutz-moshav though.  This is based on "Every town and village" philosophy of Nimai / Krishno. Village communism / kibbutz-moshav would be the spiritual sunglasses giving protection against 'Crinimai Politics Kilter' and it was the lack of any  village communism / kibbutz-moshav that led to Iskcon corporates' student child abuse because Iskcon corporates rejected village communism / kibbutz-moshav orders of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami and later Iskcon corporates poisoned Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.  


Communism /  kibbutz-moshav in villages  is also going to protect from various mental health issues and protect from conspiracies etc caused by enhanced by computers virtual kibbutz - virtual moshav in both government systems: capitalism in towns or cities and communism / kibbutz-moshav in the self-sufficient villages. 



Cultural Appropriation


Neither (i) the village-to-town (and city) identification that communism /  kibbutz-moshav is a Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) conspiracy as advocated by pro-capitalism anti-kibbutz / anti-moshav Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely in his media, or, (ii) the town (and city)-to-village identification that capitalism-inclined Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) caused the student child abuse in Iskcon corporates indirectly advocated by Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski  by stylizing / disguising it as sort of Brat Pack (coming-of-age) Culture, does not help  Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) because it’s Cultural Appropriation by them. 


They both ignore the protection wishes of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami who brings Krishno Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) internationally from year 1965 and his protection wishes expressed by wearing protective sunglasses ie. village communism / kibbutz-moshav of Krishna Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.).  They ignore Iskcon corporates rejected village communism / kibbutz-moshav of Krishna Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) and so much rejected it that Iskcon corporates poisoned physically Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami to make it village communism / kibbutz-moshav of Krishna Consciousness / Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) oblivious.


Both  Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski should be advocating for protective sunglasses ie. independent of Iskcon corporates village communism / kibbutz-moshav in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.). 



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ii. The masthead saying "instrument" in parenthesis "(An instrument for training the mind)" 6 words on left side and "(It educates humanity of its Divine nature)" {7} words on right side, seen in June 20, 1956 print



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Origins of the Brat Pack & Neo-Brat Pack prejudice in Iskcon corporates to the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, relates to his private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav order / edict.


Historic Underlying Bedrock of Friction 


In Iskcon corporates in the western countries there was historical Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) underlying friction between  two groups of western disciples living in Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) temples: 

(a) Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, and, 

(b) Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples. 

Both groups had so-called been converted to Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) - the F.t.r. had been brought over to the western countries from India by the Iskcon disciples' Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami from 1965.



Friction Affects Orders / Edicts


The historical friction between: (a) the Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, and, (b) Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, underlying, affected the orders and edicts of the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, and therefore eventually took a biblical template route as evidenced in new testament Bible's crucifixion of Jesus Christ, however, instead of the platform of cross, for Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami it was chemical poisoning, and the endful dose on platform of bed.     


One very important continuous order and edict by Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, directed to his adherents of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) that was also thereby directed to Iskcon corporates never got performed. 


Had it been performed by Iskcon corporates the Judeo-Cristo death wish crucifixion re-modelling bedrock from crucifixion on cross to crucifixion by poisoning their Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami would not have happened.  



Survival & Protection Order / Edict


The Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami continuous order and edict was related to hugely important issue of protection of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.), its adherents, adherents' families and children, hence, its places of worship such as, for example,  those run by Iskcon corporates.  This order / edict was totally ignored by Iskcon corporates due to the historical friction between: (a) the Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, and, (b) Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, underlying bedrock. 


The Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami very important order and edict directly connected / connects to survival and protection of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.), its adherents, adherents' families and children was for Iskcon corporates to establish private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav but not in towns (or cities) which were / are capitalism-inclined.  


Between 1965 to 1977 during the bio-physical life of the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, Iskcon corporates did not establish any private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav.  As a result of this there was gigantic level of pupil (student) child abuse.  So things in Iskcon corporates were not secured by Iskcon corporates due to them ignoring the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav order / edit and thereby in effect making it oblivious.  So Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's diffusion of this order / edict  within Iskcon corporates was silenced  with Iskcon corporates cunningly doing only lip service.



Pupil 1 (eyes)


In 1977, Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's  eyes-pupils had probably widened / dilated and so a large chunk of light was passing through Sri Bhaktivedants Swami's eyes-pupils, with the sensitive to light eyes-retina getting affected and as result of this, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami started to wear sunglasses even indoors for protecting his eyes-pupils from discomfort.  



Pupil 2 (student child abuse)


Coincidentally, around the same time and beforehand of Pupil 1 (eyes) with underlying bedrock friction among Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) of Judeo and Cristo, Disorganized Sector ie. Brat Pack, in Iskcon corporates were causing pupil (student) child abuse due to Iskcon corporates not having any private-village of communism / kibbutz-moshav as per order / edict of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.  



'Secret Handshake' & Mutual Appreciation Society (M.a.s.) / Mutual Appreciation Market (M.a.m.)


As a result of pupil (student) child abuse by Disorganized Sector ie. Brat Pack, both sides of Iskcon corporates - the Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples side as well as the Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples side, formed among themselves together an elitist Neo-Brat Pack - a hidden mutual appreciation society (m.a.s.) / mutual appreciation market (m.a.m.) to protect themselves / Iskcon corporates from exposure as they were not following order / edict of private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav but ignoring the directions set by Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.  


The Neo-Brat Pack, however, did not suddenly stop the Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) of Judeo and Cristo identities where there was continuous underlying bedrock friction in the Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) of Judeo and Cristo Iskcon disciples even after their compromise or practicing of  Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) - the historical perennial weed between (a) the Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, and, (b) Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples, was not going to suddenly disappear. 

 

This compromise between Judeo and Cristo backgrounded Iskcon disciples of Neo-Brat Pack after pre-1977 pupil (student) child abuse by Iskcon corporates' Disorganized Sector ie. Brat Pack was surreal, remote, centralized, herewith can be referred to as,  'the secret society of freemasons / illuminati lodge' (sic) or formalized 'virtual communism / virtual kibbutz-moshav' or hidden 'diplomacy'  as they plotted to eliminate their Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami and to do this murderous deed by chemical poisoning. So that was why  Pupil 1 (eyes) were indicative of Pupil 2 (student child) in 1977. 



Disorganized Brat Pack as well as Organized Neo-Brat Pack


After the murderous deed of eliminating their Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, by chemical poisoning, the Neo-Brat Pack of Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples and Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) Iskcon disciples further cooperated together taking the place of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in this world and in taking  Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami's  place in Iskcon corporates.


Neo-Brat Pack - the Iskcon corporates' takeover  group had to continuously face in post-1977  Disorganized Sector  ie. Brat Pack cases of pupil (student) child abuse, which continued to emerge post-1977 after Neo-Brat Pack had eliminated the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.   Then, some of Neo-Brat Pack wanted to do Organized Sector ie. Neo-Brat Pack pupil (student) child abuse  and some other form of abuses using 'cosplay' by piggy-backing on Disorganized Sector  ie. Brat Pack cases of pupil (student) child abuse to graphically document it also as Iskcon corporates history from perspective of crucifixion as in Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.). 



Cultural Appropriation


Both Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski continue to blame directly and indirectly either Judeo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.) or Cristo, Mother Tongue Religion (M.t.r.), respectively, for Iskcon corporates abuses including pupil (student) child abuse. 


Both Judeo and Cristo are Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) however when some members from them so-called converted to Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.), they did not just leave hundreds of years old Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) behind.  Some  even left Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) as they could not adjust personally or due to pressure left and returned to their Organized Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.).  Those who stayed in Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) some experienced Iskcon corporates' Disorganized Sector  ie. Brat Pack cases of pupil (student) child abuse  or other types of abuses and/or experienced Organized Sector ie. Neo-Brat Pack cases of pupil (student) abuse  or other types of abuses. 


Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski mostly address post-1977 Disorganized Sector  ie. Brat Pack cases and Organized Sector ie. Neo-Brat Pack cases, yet they ignore the 'secret handshake' formation of the Neo-Brat Pack.  Both documentarians Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski  originate as a result of Neo-Brat Pack.  Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely can't adjust to private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav order / edict of the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.    So because it was ignored, it led to Neo-Brat Pack cosplay assassination of Mr Steve Bryant - Sulochana dasa. Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski has taken the role of the documentarian mostly of Neo-Brat Pack cosplay of Iskcon corporates'  pupil (student) child abuse  yet leaves out the preventative private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav order / edict of the Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami. 


It is not only Mukunda dasa - Mr Mark Whitely and Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski, there are other documentarians such as Puranjana dasa - Mr Tim Lee doing the same.  Also there are semi-documentarians in shape of groups / camps eg. ritvik method of initiations, official and unofficial p.r. groups from Iskcon corporates and alternative Iskcon corporates, etc but where are private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav ordered by  Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami for Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) protection?     


Independent 


With Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami wearing sunglasses in 1977 including indoors, it was the first time in Gaudiya Vaisnava parampara (disciplic succession) a diksa spiritual had publicly worn them.  The previous diksa guru or Spiritual Master of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, Sri Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati had worn only prescription glasses in his organization called the Gaudiya Math.  So sunglasses wearing by Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami indicates a move away from being only one organization bound eg. Iskcon corporates only.  It means Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami is for any group or corporate and is not localized to Iskcon corporates only.


Iskcon corporates could not offer private-villages of communism / kibbutz-moshav ordered by  Spiritual Master, Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami for Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) protection and the closest Iskcon corporates came to private-villages of communism / kibbutz moshav was by having checkered black and white floor tiles of equal sizes in its places of worship.    


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"Reading glasses are not the only type of glasses  Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami wears.  Because he also wears in year 1977, sunglasses {and wears them also indoors}."



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PADA says that Henry proved that Radhanath gave the order to kill Sulocana and therefore there is some credit.  Yet this didn't change anything. Radhanath is still the top dog ISKCON leader. When I mentioned that Henry replaced his beadbag with an expensive Whiskey collection PADA immediately informed Henry about my name and address and Henry wrote on FB: this guy is a toxic person.  

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Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant was murdered by Iskcon corporates’ Majors in 1986 and book of Mukunda dasaMr Mark Whitely (Killing for Keith: Doktorski’s Deranged Attack On Sulocana Dasa Prabhupada’s Perfect Disciple ) is in response to book of Hrishikesh dasaHenry Doktorski  (Killing For Krishna – The Danger Of Deranged Devotion).   

 

This 1986 murder followed the murder of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in 1977 who had brought to the western world Hare Krishna cult in 1965 also by hands of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors/ “Major” brands 

 

As per the mobile / cell phone market at present where there are the “Major brands or household name brands (Samsung etc), Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” who murdered Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant in 1986 were these pseudo-Paramatma halves / pseudo-Supersoul halves / pseudo-Holy Spirit halves / pseudo-Holy Ghost halves - “Majors” / “Major” brands but internal within Iskcon corporate. 

 

Just as each mobile / cell phone “Major” brand has sub-brands / the S.k.u. brands, and so it was Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant who became the internal S.k.u. brand by his links to Iskcon and also from artificial imposition by the Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” (brands) minds and their servants.   

 

Presently, mobile / cell phone “Major” brands have decision made about their S.k.u. brands (flagships and basics) in terms of how many years operating system’s upgrade  support and security updates support they are going to give their S.k.u. brands.  (Please see below section, Mobile / Cell Phones Health (Operating system) System Upgrade & Friendly (Patch) Security Update Decisions from “Major” Brands from time of S.k.u. Launch.) 

 

It turns out that Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands similarly decided to limit and end upgrade support and security support for their S.k.u. brand  Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant, and so it was an end of life decision made by them via murder.   

 

The killing of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami by Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands in 1977 was  Varna (work) side not Asrama (family) side done as reputation / honor murder by different set of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands as Iskcon had become infiltrated and was sinking into child abuse and the killing of Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant also was Varna (work) side not Asrama (family) side but it was cos play by different set of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands near (as ‘crunchy’ and not ‘smooth’) the 10 year anniversary of the killing of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.   

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Mobile / Cell Phones Health (Operating system) System Upgrade & Friendly (Patch) Security Update Decisions from Major Brands from time of S.k.u. Launch  

 

Major brand Decisions (y: year) from launch  

Major: Apple 5/6 y (Non-Android system) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Asus 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Google 7y upgrade 7y security Pixel 8 then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Nokia Apr 2026 (G22) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Hmd May 2027 (Pulse) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Honor 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Motorola 1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Nothing 3y upgrade 4y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: OnePlus 1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Oppo 1y upgrade 3y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Poco 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Realme 2y upgrade 3y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Redmi 2y upgrade then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Samsung 4y upgrade 5y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Sony 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Tci 1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Vivo ? then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Xiomi 2y security? then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Ztc 1y upgrade? then End-of-life candidate 


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If you ever get {town-money} money, print {self-sufficiency hare krishna kibbutzs and hare krishna moshavs “simple living high thinking”} books 

 

Spontaneous Love Vs. 

 

The Hare Krishna order from the founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami of "simple living higher thinking" is a private-village communism order of Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs where in them there is gradual shift to self-sufficiency. 

 

Spontaneous love is also rooted into "simple living higher thinking" order and from a person's involvement  - more of the spontaneous love is required in  the "simple living higher thinking" order because private-village communism order of Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs moves a person out from the capitalist urban comfort / eye-candy zone of towns and industrial lifestyle and exploitation 

 

Hare Krishna Kibbutzs spontaneous love is centered on Krishna. 

 

Hare Krishna Moshavs spontaneous love is centered simultaneously on Krishna and also keeping child including wife safe from towns’ uber-exploitation including from towns child sexual abuse rings and gangs. 

  

 

Vs. Salaried Money 

 

So the "simple living higher thinking" order spontaneous love is one end of a continuum in comparison to the capitalist towns' salaried money or new money which is on the opposite end of the same continuum, where for example a town-person has to work in an office or factory to g

Major: Realme 2y upgrade 3y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Redmi 2y upgrade then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Samsung 4y upgrade 5y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Sony 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Tci 1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Vivo ? then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Xiomi 2y security? then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Ztc 1y upgrade? then End-of-life candidate 






On Tuesday 5 March 2024, rainer hahn <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
PADA says that Henry proved that Radhanath gave the order to kill Sulocana and therefore there is some credit.  Yet this didn't change anything. Radhanath is still the top dog ISKCON leader. When I mentioned that Henry replaced his beadbag with an expensive Whiskey collection PADA immediately informed Henry about my name and address and Henry wrote on FB: this guy is a toxic person.  

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Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) - part 7

Quotes: et a salary money or new money, leaving the wife and child alone leading them to be exploited by child sexual abuse rings and gangs.   

 

The spontaneous love of private-village communism by way of self-sufficient "simple living high thinking" Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs was juxtaposed against the towns' salaried money or new money bringing a revulsion by Iskcon Inc’s disciples against   self-sufficient "simple living high thinking" Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs.   

 

 

Spontaneous Love vs. Salaried Money 

  

Iskcon Inc's disciples of the founder  A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami had chosen not to obey the founder's wishes / order of  spontaneous love "simple living higher thinking" self-sufficient private-village communism by way of establishing Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs as Iskcon Inc's,  disciples were greedily attached to the capitalist urban comfort / candy-eye zone of towns and industrial lifestyle.  It meant the opportunity was ripe for Iskcon Inc's disciples to exploit any newly designed positions even if they were temporary.   

 

Considering that there were also the hippies in 1960s and 1970s joining Iskcon Inc,  who were more flexible into accepting alternative lifestyles including Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs, Iskcon Inc’s disciples did not utilize this opportunity.  

 

Nor did the village names where the Hare Krishna Movement was born in America such as Greenwich Village and East Village (neighborhood area in Nyc) shift or inspire  Iskcon Inc’s disciples into starting private-village Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs. 

 

Also, Iskcon Inc's disciples were material sons and daughters of mostly salaried fathers or fathers and mothers etc. With salaried money / new money linked to towns, the propensity for going towards towns ie. the capitalist comforts / candy-eye and industrial lifestyle bonds were more towards towns than towards spontaneous love propensity for self-sufficiency by private-village communism by establishing  Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs. 

 

 

Ritvik Temporary Positions 

 

This is what happened after the newly designed ritvik positions albeit temporary positions ordered by the founder  A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in 1977 to cover for  his absence by ill-health where ritviks were to act as helpers, Iskcon Inc's disciples exploited these ritvik positions by either making the ritvk position as being super high, so as to be in the position of founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami and next holder, or, Iskcon Inc's disciples exploiting it in another way by making ritvik temporary position to be permanent, or, Iskcon Inc's disciples exploiting by some other way by making ritvik positions semi-permanent to usher in later a replacement to the founder  A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami. The two latter ways are even now being used by some 'house-boy' Iskcon Inc's disciples as a way to down-size 'major' Iskcon Inc's disciples super-high positions, for example, with one 'house-boy' being Iskcon Reform Movement (I.r.m.) and other being Prabhupada Anti-Defamation Association (P.a.d.a.).  

 

 

Was Ritvik Work of Village Nature or Town Nature?  

 

Forming any new positions e.g. ritvik would be risky as they could be exploited by Iskcon Inc’s disciples, this is what happened to the  founder's  A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in 1977 temporary ritvik order in the July 9 1977 letter.   

 

So if any 'house-boy'  reformist Iskcon Inc's disciples even now push to bring ritvik positions now when now it is out of context, not in its time, place or circumstance, then that also is greedy salaried money associated with exploitative towns.  Ritvik activity was of village nature or spontaneous love, self-sufficiency Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs, ritvik activity was not of exploitative town nature or greedy salaried money.   

 

Also ritvik work had no relation to mechanized towns or new money / salaried money because the ritvik’s work was manual and pre-industrial, similar to “simple living high thinking” Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs.       

 

 

Challenge of Spiritualizing Towns 

 

Ritvik work cannot bring about spiritualized towns or spiritualized mechanized towns - just as not much greenery is in concretized towns.  Ritvik  move was designed to be temporary and to be only within the biological presence of the founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.  Ritvik work was of village nature.  Ritvik no longer can be used in towns.  During the physical biological presence of the founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami, ritvik was possible in towns  because he was free.  Though after the physical biological presence A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami is not free and thus can only be diecasted by towns if hybrid cooperative ‘salaried love’ is developed.    

 

Mukunda Dasa - Mr Mark Whitely pushes his ritvik work in towns eg. Oldham in England, without the physical presence of founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.  Ritvik is no longer possible in towns because A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami is no longer free.   

 

Hrishikesh dasa - Mr Henry Doktorski gives accounts of Iskcon Inc's disciples behavioral issues as a ritvik eg. they changing the ritvik position to be super high to replace A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami yet ignores the awful risks of ‘salaried money’ or new money in society at large, the pursuit of which ignored ‘spontaneous love’, “simple living high thinking”, self-sufficiency, private-village communism Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs.   

 

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On Friday, 26 July 2024, Jyestha Yuga <jyest...@gmail.com> wrote:
Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) - part 8 

 

Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant was murdered by Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” in 1986 and book of Mukunda dasa – Mr Mark Whitely (Killing for Keith: Doktorski’s Deranged Attack On Sulocana Dasa Prabhupada’s Perfect Disciple ) is in response to book of Hrishikesh dasa - Henry Doktorski  (Killing For Krishna – The Danger Of Deranged Devotion).   

 

This 1986 murder followed the murder of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami in 1977 who had brought to the western world Hare Krishna cult in 1965 also by hands of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands.  

 

As per the mobile / cell phone market at present where there are the “Major” brands or household name brands (Samsung etc), Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” who murdered Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant in 1986 were these pseudo-Paramatma halves / pseudo-Supersoul halves / pseudo-Holy Spirit halves / pseudo-Holy Ghost halves - “Majors” / “Major” brands but internal within Iskcon corporate. 

 

Just as each mobile / cell phone “Major” brand has sub-brands / the S.k.u. brands, and so it was Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant who became the internal S.k.u. brand by his links to Iskcon and also from artificial imposition by the Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” (brands) minds and their servants.   

 

Presently, mobile / cell phone “Major” brands have decision made about their S.k.u. brands (flagships and basics) in terms of how many years operating system’s upgrade  support and security updates support they are going to give their S.k.u. brands.  (Please see below section, Mobile / Cell Phones Health (Operating system) System Upgrade & Friendly (Patch) Security Update Decisions from “Major” Brands from time of S.k.u. Launch.) 

 

It turns out that Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands similarly decided to limit and end upgrade support and security support for their S.k.u. brand  Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant, and so it was an end of life decision made by them via murder.   

 

The killing of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami by Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands in 1977 was  Varna (work) side not Asrama (family) side done as reputation / honor murder by different set of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands as Iskcon had become infiltrated and was sinking into child abuse and the killing of Sulocana dasa – Mr Steven Bryant also was Varna (work) side not Asrama (family) side but it was cos play by different set of Iskcon corporates’ “Majors” / “Major” brands near (as ‘crunchy’ and not ‘smooth’) the 10 year anniversary of the killing of Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami.   

(c) copyright 2024 'Jyestha Yuga’. All rights reserved worldwide. 

 

 

 

Mobile / Cell Phones Health (Operating system) System Upgrade & Friendly (Patch) Security Update Decisions from “Major” Brands from time of S.k.u. Launch  

 

“Major” brandDecisions (y: year) from launch 

Major: Apple 5/6 y (Non-Android system) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Asus 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Google7y upgrade 7y security Pixel 8 then End-of-life candidate 

Major: NokiaApr 2026 (G22) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: HmdMay 2027 (Pulse) then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Honor2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Motorola1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Nothing3y upgrade 4y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: OnePlus1y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Oppo1y upgrade 3y security then End-of-life candidate 

Major: Poco 2y upgrade 2y security then End-of-life candidate 
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Cultural Appropriation of Krishno, Father Tongue Religion (F.t.r.) in fracas between different Mother Tongue Religions (M.t.r.) - part 9 

 

If you ever get {town-money} money, print {self-sufficiency hare krishna kibbutzs and hare krishna moshavs “simple living high thinking”} books 

 

Spontaneous Love Vs. 

 

The Hare Krishna order from the founder A C Bhaktivedanta Swami / Sri Bhaktivedanta Swami of "simple living higher thinking" is a private-village communism order of Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs where in them there is gradual shift to self-sufficiency. 

 

Spontaneous love is also rooted into "simple living higher thinking" order and from a person's involvement  - more of the spontaneous love is required in  the "simple living higher thinking" order because private-village communism order of Hare Krishna Kibbutzs and Hare Krishna Moshavs moves a person out from the capitalist urban comfort / eye-candy zone of towns and industrial lifestyle and exploitation 

 

Hare Krishna Kibbutzs spontaneous love is centered on Krishna. 

 

Hare Krishna Moshavs spontaneous love is centered simultaneously on Krishna and also keeping child including wife safe from towns’ uber-exploitation including from towns child sexual abuse rings and gangs. 

  

 

Vs. Salaried Money 

 

So the "simple living higher thinking" order spontaneous love is one end of a continuum in comparison to the capitalist towns' salaried money or new money which is on the opposite end of the same continuum, where for example a town-person has to work in an office or factory to get a salary money or new money, leaving the wife and child alone leading them to be exploited by child sexual abuse rings and gangs.   

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