Unknown shrub.

[howard sadd]

I hope I am doing this correctly. My first post here!

Please can you identify this large rather straggly shrub.
It was found along the road to Tiger Hill near Darjeeling.
Many thanks.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Hi Sheila,

Very well first-executed post.

Only one point to bear in mind for the next query that you would post.

The subject line needs to be unique (forgot to stress on this point in my invite to you).

Thus your next post may have such wording: <some relevant words> DDMMYYSheila at <name of place plant sighted>

Happy querying and posting !!

Dear friends,

Sheila is my recent flickr contact. She had been to India as a tourist and has some plants that she would like to get identified.

She is a plain naturalist, has no botanical background. 

Regards.

Dinesh

[PlantaholicSheila]

Thank you for the warm welcome Dinesh.

I shall remember to put a more unique title for my 2nd mystery plant!

I absolutely loved Sikkim, but there were so many plants that were
very new to me. I want to learn their names if possible.

Regards
Sheila.

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[raju]

It could be Trema sp, Most probably T tomentosa

Raju

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[Giby Kuriakose]

Yes I too had a wild guess that this could be species of Trema. 

With Raju ji's lead and with the help of the following link, I think Raju ji is correct in saying this could be Trema tomentosa of  Cannabaceae family.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242352636

Regards

Giby

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[PlantaholicSheila]

Thank you Raju and Giby for you suggestion.
However, mystery shrub has opposite leaves.. while Trema tomentosa has
alternate leaves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trema_tomentosa_-_Elvina_Bay.JPG

Regards
Sheila.

On Oct 22, 7:04 pm, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I too had a wild guess that this could be species of *Trema. *
> With Raju ji's* *lead and with the help of the following link, I think Raju
> ji is correct in saying this could be *Trema tomentosa *of  Cannabaceae
> family.
>
> *
> *http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242352636
>
> Regards
> Giby

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[Giby Kuriakose]

Yes I didn't notice that and not only that, I think, I didn't examine the close up of flower picture carefully. 

I really appreciate your effort in cross checking based on the suggestions. 

Now, I have a second thought based on the flower/inflorescence close up pictures that, could this be a plant belong to the family Rubiaceae? 

Opposite leaves, interpetiolar stipules, pentamerous flower, epipetalous stamens exerted stigma which is capitate, all forced me to think of a Rubiacean element in it. 

Regards

Giby

[PlantaholicSheila]

Thank you Giby for the suggestion of the family Rubiaceae.

Any chance that anyone can get it any further?

This was such a common shrub along the tourist road to watch sunrise
from Tiger Hill. I was so sure it would be a really easy one for local
people to id.
Regards
Sheila.

[Vijayasankar]

It may be a Lasianthus species, not sure but.

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[PlantaholicSheila]

Hmm.
Thank you Vijayasankar for that suggestion.
I have had a look on www but am unable to find any Lasianthus with the
small leaflet on the top, between the pairs of leaves.
I wish I could have been there at a different season to see what
colour the berries were.
Sheila

[Giby Kuriakose]

Thanks for the lead Vijay 

I too think that this is Lasianthus andmost probably this could be Lasianthus micranthus of Rubiaceae family.  

Please check the same @ http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=117649

Regards

Giby

[PlantaholicSheila]

Thank you Giby for the suggestion of Lasianthus micranthus.

Reading about it, it does seem to be very variable.
I am not clever enough to understand the technical terminology... so
am not sure if this is my shrub or not. I do much better with visual
aids and photos!

I have searched on www and found a herbarium specimen from Kew.

http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031632

I cannot see the small semi circular leaflet that was grows on the
stem between the pairs of leaves, or the pair of stipules that show on
my images.

Hmm! Just not sure.......

[Vijayasankar]

Thanks Giby & Sheila,
Pl also check these Kew holdings. They seem to have similar features to that of our plant (are we checking in right genus?). Let's wait for more comments from members.

http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031667
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000763811
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031599
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031602

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[PlantaholicSheila]

I really appreciate all the trouble you have gone to finding the Kew
herbarium links.

Many thanks Vijayasankar.

Maybe one day someone will discover this thread and give a positive
id. I am not at all sure.

Regards
Sheila.

[Plantaholic Sheila]

I am just wondering if anyone can id this shrub with complete
certainty.
Is it Lasianthus, if so which one?
Thank you for looking.
Sheila.

[shrikant ingalhalikar]

Dear Vijaysankar ji, isn't style 3-5 branched for Lasianthus? Regards,
Shrikant

[Vijayasankar]

Agreed, Shrikant ji. Thank you.
The search is still on... Can it be a Canthium sp? I have no idea :(

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[Giby Kuriakose]

FOC says ....style linear stigma lobes 3-9. 

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=117649

Regards,

Giby

[Giby Kuriakose]

Please refer the following link as well

http://www.biotik.org/india/species/l/lasiparv/lasiparv_11_en.html

Regards

[Plantaholic Sheila]

Sorry Giby.
I really appreciate all your help and do not wish to appear
ungrateful.

However, Lasianthus parvifolius is not at all like it.

My mystery shrub has 5 petals not 4.

I found this pic showing the leaves.

http://www.biotik.org/india/species/l/lasiparv/lasiparv_05_en.html

It just doesn't come close to my amateur eye.

It was a very large shrub. My pic does not show the bulk of the shrub,
just a few bottom branches. See my 3rd pic for the base of the mother
plant.

I thought at the time it might be a shrubby honeysuckle. But the
stigma is not right.

Of all the unidentified plants from this trip this is THE one I would
really love to id.
I thought my close up pics showing the detail pretty well would make
it so easy! Not so!


Any further thoughts anyone?

Regards
Sheila.
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On Oct 30, 3:27 pm, Giby Kuriakose <giby.kuriak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please refer the following link as well
>
> http://www.biotik.org/india/species/l/lasiparv/lasiparv_11_en.html
>
> Regards
> Giby
>

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> > visit my pictures @http://www.flickr.com/photos/giby

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> --
> GIBY KURIAKOSE PhD
> Ashoka Trust for Research in Ecology and the Environment (ATREE),
> Royal Enclave,
> Jakkur Post, Srirampura
> Bangalore- 560064
> India

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[Vijayasankar]

Hi Sheila, I think Giby wanted to only compare the stigmas in "Lasianthus" and in the plant in discussion.

Flora of China says stigma lobes 3-9. Even in the poster picture, I see multiple stigmas clustered together on a common style, as we see in the picture in Giby's link. My doubt is the shape of stigma lobes...FoC says they are "linear or lanceolate" which is not the case in our plant. But our plant also has multiple stigmas but appear as capitate. I see more than 6 lobes here.

Number of corolla lobes is variable in Lasianthus (4-6).

Hope someone in the group will come up with convincing id for this plant...

 

Regards 

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[Plantaholic Sheila]

I am bumping this thread again.

I wonder if any of this group live near Darjeeling????

Maybe some kind soul be willing to collect a live specimen fromTiger
Hill, and take it to the Herbarium at the Lloyd Botanic Garden.

Hopefully the local botanists there would be able to give an accurate
id of a very very common shrub in their local area.

OR

maybe someone has contacts at Llloyds Botanic garden and the
botanists could then be pointed to my thread.
or even make a personal inspection of a living shrub.
I tried to get an e mail address. But none shows on www, so maybe they
do not have an internet connection there.

Hopefully.... Sheila.

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On Oct 30, 5:22 pm, Vijayasankar <vijay.botan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sheila, I think Giby wanted to only compare the stigmas in "*Lasianthus*"

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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Now, I have a second thought based on the flower/inflorescence close up pictures that, could this be a plant belong to the family Rubiaceae?

Opposite leaves, interpetiolar stipules, pentamerous flower, epipetalous stamens exerted stigma which is capitate, all forced me to think of a Rubiacean element in it. ” from Giby ji.              

                

“It may be a Lasianthus species, not sure but. 

Regards   
Vijayasankar Raman”

 

“Thanks for the lead Vijay

I too think that this is Lasianthus andmost probably this could be Lasianthus micranthus of Rubiaceae family. 

Please check the same @ http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=117649” from Giby ji.

 

"Pl also check these Kew holdings. They seem to have similar features to that of our plant (are we checking in right genus?). Let's wait for more comments from members.

http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031667
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000763811
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031599
http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000031602"

 

"Dear Vijaysankar ji, isn't style 3-5 branched for Lasianthus? Regards,
Shrikant"

 

"Agreed, Shrikant ji. Thank you.

The search is still on... Can it be a Canthium sp? I have no idea :(" from Vijayasankar ji.

 

"FOC says ....style linear stigma lobes 3-9.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=117649

Regards,

Giby"

 

"Please refer the following link as well

http://www.biotik.org/india/species/l/lasiparv/lasiparv_11_en.html" from Giby ji.

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[Plantaholic Sheila]

 

 

Hi everyone,

On our magical 3 week trip to Sikkim and West Bengal on March 2011,  this shrub has stayed in my memory.

It was along side the road to Tiger Hill near Ghoom, ( not far from Darjeeling.)which many hundreds of tourists visit every day to watch the sun rise over the Himalayas.

There were lots of these shrubs... so very common ... or so I thought.

I took more pic of this one shrub than any other, to try and capture as much detail as possible.

 

I thought it would be so very easy to id.

 

I have even sent a letter ( snail mail!) to the Lloyd Botanic garden in Darjeeling with photos, but sadly did not receive a reply.

( I would normally put a stamped addressed envelope with my letter for a reply. But this does not work in foreign countries.)

 

Somone on this learned forum must live near here/ visit here.

I have often wondered what the berries are like, what colour they will be.

 

Your help is requested.

Thank you for looking.

Warmest wishes.

Sheila.

 

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[Plantaholic Sheila]

On Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:15:24 PM UTC+1, PlantaholicSheila wrote:

I have been trying AGAIN to id this and think at long last I may have it!

It has been suggested in the past it was Leycesteria.

How about Leycesteria stipulata???

It used to be Lonicera stipulata. (The way it was growing reminded me very much of a shrubby honeysuckle.)

I even found a link to say it is common in Ghoom.

However, the only really good pics on www are on a Chinese web site that I cannot copy to here as they must be private.

 

Expert opinion please.

 

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022275

 

.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RQ-tItJSi60C&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=leycesteria+stipulata+ghoom&source=bl&ots=em5_bLh5Xz&sig=r2lb7SabWeUN0PdhySV0ek2HA8c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aNEeUL3wJKWL0AWAtoGICw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=leycesteria%20stipulata%20ghoom&f=false

.

 

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OI8&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=1184&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=PT5p-RwlOGJxgM:&imgrefurl=http://showyourplant.com/Leycesteria_stipulata/&docid=VCtgRqcq1h9EWM&imgurl=http://showyourplant.com/plant_breed_photos/Leycesteria_stipulata_photos_b258f5c4b5dca5fe8326ac56.jpg&w=417&h=600&ei=y9EeUJLQL6rB0QXG9ICADg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=210&vpy=109&dur=2101&hovh=269&hovw=187&tx=100&ty=158&sig=103993066338538128134&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=90&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:76

 

 

[Vijayasankar]

Hi Sheila,

Congrats! Finally you got the correct id, I think!
The description of Leycesteria stipulata at FoC perfectly fits and also here is a herbarium specimen that exactly matches with your plant: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000076878

Great work!

Thanks.

 

Vijayasankar Raman
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Plantaholic Sheila <luddi...@talktalk.net> wrote:

I have been trying AGAIN to id this and think at long last I may have it!

It has been suggested in the past it was Leycesteria.

How about Leycesteria stipulata???

It used to be Lonicera stipulata. (The way it was growing reminded me very much of a shrubby honeysuckle.)

I even found a link to say it is common in Ghoom.

However, the only really good pics on www are on a Chinese web site that I cannot copy to here as they must be private.

 

Expert opinion please.

 

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022275

 

.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RQ-tItJSi60C&pg=PA286&lpg=PA286&dq=leycesteria+stipulata+ghoom&source=bl&ots=em5_bLh5Xz&sig=r2lb7SabWeUN0PdhySV0ek2HA8c&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aNEeUL3wJKWL0AWAtoGICw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=leycesteria%20stipulata%20ghoom&f=false

.

 

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OI8&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=1184&bih=594&tbm=isch&tbnid=PT5p-RwlOGJxgM:&imgrefurl=http://showyourplant.com/Leycesteria_stipulata/&docid=VCtgRqcq1h9EWM&imgurl=http://showyourplant.com/plant_breed_photos/Leycesteria_stipulata_photos_b258f5c4b5dca5fe8326ac56.jpg&w=417&h=600&ei=y9EeUJLQL6rB0QXG9ICADg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=210&vpy=109&dur=2101&hovh=269&hovw=187&tx=100&ty=158&sig=103993066338538128134&page=1&tbnh=129&tbnw=90&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:76

 

 

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[Plantaholic Sheila]

Hi Vijayasankar ,

You have provided  me the final piece of the jigsaw.!

Brilliant.

That is it.

I tried to find a herbarium specimen on www with no luck.

Thank you.

I cannot tell you just how thrilled I am to have finally got this shrub positively id.

 

Many thanks to everyone else who also tried to help.

 

Warmest wishes.

Sheila.

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[JM Garg]

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

I tried many species of Lasianthus like Lasianthus hirsutus, L.attenuatus.

But flowers look different as per 
http://phytoimages.siu.edu/cgi-bin/dol/dol_terminal.pl?taxon_name=Lasianthus_hirsutus&rank=binomial
https://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id309127/
  

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I hope I am doing this correctly. My first post here!

Please can you identify this large rather straggly shrub.
It was found along the road to Tiger Hill near Darjeeling.
Many thanks.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Leycesteria gracilis (Kurz) Airy Shaw ??

Thank you

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[J.M. Garg]

This has already been identified as 

https://efloraofindia.com/2012/08/13/leycesteria-stipulata/

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[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Mr. Garg !

Thank you Mr. Garg.

Saroj Kasaju

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