Request For HP flora ID

[Nudrat Sayed]

Hello,

This particular plant was seen at a height of 2100 mtrs at a place
called Triund. The flowers were abt 2 cms across and the plant was abt
1foot in height. Please help in identifying it.
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Regards
Dr. Sayed Nudrat Zawar
Senior Conservation Officer
Conservation Action Trust Mumbai

[Tabish]

Clematis montana?
- Tabish

>  Triund Flora (54).jpg
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>  Triund Flora (55).jpg
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Tabish ji
Clematis has much longer stamens, opposite leaves and very long pedicels. I
think this to be some species of Anemone.


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College
University of Delhi, Delhi
India
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[Dr. Pankaj Kumar]

Tabish Sir, This sud be Anemone !!

[Nudrat]

Hello All,

This plant was not a climber hence it most probably isnt Clematis

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“Clematis has much longer stamens, opposite leaves and very long pedicels. I

think this to be some species of Anemone.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh”

 

“This sud be Anemone !!” from Pankaj ji.

 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing for ID

Earlier feedback by me and Pankaj ji...................Anemone sp.

Local flora may be checked for the species growing in the area.

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

These images present difficulties identification-wise.   They are inadequate.   PLEASE on future occasions, take MANY MORE images including both

upper and lower surfaces of flowers, upper & lower foliage (both upper and lower surfaces), habitat and habit. 

I find it hard to speculate which species it belongs to.   I am in agreement it does not fit with Clematis and does appear to be an Anemone.   Could be

a straggly Anemone rivularis or an elongated version of another species but even IF I was more confident, I cannot see that these images represent a

useful reference - just add to the confusion which exists already.

Cannot justify devoting any more time on these images.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot,  Chadwell ji.

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[JM Garg]

I think it is closer to Anemonastrum tetrasepalum (Royle) Holub (syn: Anemone tetrasepala Royle) as per details and references herein and as per keys in Flora of Pakistan & FOP illustration

[J.M. Garg]

There are two closely related species in our area: Anemonastrum tetrasepalum (Royle) Holub (syn: Anemone tetrasepala Royle) (Distribution given in J&K only in our area) and Anemone elongata. Keys between them is given below from Flora of China:

35 (34)	Leaf blade 3-lobed, leathery; sepals 4, 12--20 × 6--12 mm, glabrous, with vein anastomoses; achene body 8--12 mm		33 A. tetrasepala
+	Leaf blade 3-parted, herbaceous; sepals 5, varying in size, puberulent or glabrous, without vein anastomoses; achene body smaller.		(36)
36 (35)	Sepals 12--20 × 6--12 mm, base cuneate, apex rounded; achene body 6--9 mm, wing 1.2--1.3 mm wide, style 1--1.5 mm		34 A. elongata
+	Sepals 7--10 × 4--6 mm, base rounded, apex acute; achene body 5--6 mm, wing 0.5--0.6 mm wide, style 0.6--1 mm		35 A. shikokiana

Keys point out towards this plant being Anemone elongata. I further checked with GBIF & description in Flora of China and as per high resolution specimens as below:

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441326301731flWNCzaVgVuUa4T3

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441326301712MAyVx6Gle6X6qnml

In view I think the posted plant should be of Anemone elongata.

High resolution specimens of Anemonastrum tetrasepalum (Royle) Holub (syn: Anemone tetrasepala Royle) look different in GBIF

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[mcleodwild]

I know Triund well (elevation is around 2800m) and have found only one Anemone there—Anemone obtusilobum, both white and blue varieties. The plants start appearing a little below Triund and are found above Triund till about 3400m.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On Sunday, 25 October 2009 14:58:59 UTC+5:30, Nudrat Sayed wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

But this is not Anemonastrum obtusilobum subsp. obtusilobum

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[mcleodwild]

Dear Mr. Garg,

I don't see where the discrepancy lies. Please elaborate.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On Sunday, 25 October 2009 14:58:59 UTC+5:30, Nudrat Sayed wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji,

You have made me think again.

Ultimately crux lies, if this plant is small or long. To me it appeared like a long one.

Pl. see details at Anemonastrum obtusilobum subsp. obtusilobum & 

And for Anemonastrum elongatum (D. Don) Holub at

SK2063 20 July 2019

https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/r/ranunculaceae/anemonastrum/anemone-elongata

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441326301731flWNCzaVgVuUa4T3

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fmediaphoto.mnhn.fr%2Fmedia%2F1441326301712MAyVx6Gle6X6qnml

GBIF (with type specimen) Flora of China  Plant illustrations 

Pl. have alook and give your views.

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[mcleodwild]

But Dr. Zawar mentions that the plant was about one foot tall. Flora of China gives 40-80cm tall scape for Anemone elongata. Moreover, it says that cyme is compound with 7-15 flowers. 

 

On Sunday, 25 October 2009 14:58:59 UTC+5:30, Nudrat Sayed wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

In that case you are right on your id. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Given the scant photo evidence, this is the best we can do. If I did not know the area well, I wouldn't even have offered a guess about its identity.

We can say it's 'most likely' A. obtusiloba, considering its habitat.

Thanks.

With warm regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

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