Identification required.- Location: Kulgam j & k.

[J.M. Garg]

Habit:Small herb. 

Flowers :star shaped yellow coloured

Location:Kulgam j&k.- from Shakir ji

Vincetoxicum hirundinaria Medik.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

We have Vincetoxicum canescens-  Here in Kashmir as per efloraofindia- from Shakir ji

You have this sp. also in JK !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Gurcharan Singh]

It is V. hirundinaria with corolla glabrous inside, In V. canescens it is densely hairy inside. Both occur in Kashmir. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Gurucharan Sir !

Saroj Kasaju

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[Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist)]

 Thank You sir

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[J.M. Garg]

Corolla lobes are not clearly focussed in the images, but I see some hairs.

It may be Vincetoxicum canescens.

Hi, Shakir ji,

May I request you to pl. post a clear image showing the corolla lobes and an image showing its calyx.

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist) <saadiks...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 22:07
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:388567] Re: Identification required.- Location: Kulgam j & k.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sure sir.. I will. Send. 

Regards,
Shakir Ahmad.
M.sc  Botany.
Department of Botany,
School of Life sciences,Central University of Kashmir,Ganderbal, J&K, India
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[Saroj Kasaju]

Going through the images in efi site I still fill this should be Vincetoxicum hirundinaria Medik. !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Can not say until we see a clear image showing the corolla lobes and an image showing its calyx.

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[J.M. Garg]

You do not see even a single hair on the corolla lobes at 

Vincetoxicum hirundinaria subsp. hirundinaria

While there are many in the posted image by Shakir ji.

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist) <saadiks...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 19:15
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:389310] Re: Identification required.- Location: Kulgam j & k.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Regards,
Shakir Ahmad.
M.sc  Botany.
Department of Botany,
School of Life sciences,Central University of Kashmir,Ganderbal, J&K, India
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On Sun, 20 Jun, 2021, 6:50 pm J.M. Garg, <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

I see lot of hairs on corolla loves.

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On Sun, 20 Jun, 2021, 6:40 pm Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist), <saadiks...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hairs are missing inside the corolla tube. 

Regards,
Shakir Ahmad.
M.sc  Botany.
Department of Botany,
School of Life sciences,Central University of Kashmir,Ganderbal, J&K, India
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[J.M. Garg]

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From: Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist) <saadiks...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 18:40
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:389310] Re: Identification required.- Location: Kulgam j & k.
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Hairs are missing inside the corolla tube. 

Regards,
Shakir Ahmad.
M.sc  Botany.
Department of Botany,
School of Life sciences,Central University of Kashmir,Ganderbal, J&K, India
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[J.M. Garg]

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 18:50
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:389310] Re: Identification required.- Location: Kulgam j & k.
To: Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist) <saadiks...@gmail.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>, saadiks...@gmail.com <saadiks...@gmail.com>

I see lot of hairs on corolla loves.

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On Sun, 20 Jun, 2021, 6:40 pm Shakir Ahmad (Amateur Taxonomist), <saadiks...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hairs are missing inside the corolla tube. 

Regards,
Shakir Ahmad.
M.sc  Botany.
Department of Botany,
School of Life sciences,Central University of Kashmir,Ganderbal, J&K, India
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[J.M. Garg]

Taking it as Vincetoxicum kenouriense (Wight) Wight, Icon. Pl. Ind. Orient., pl. 1614. 1850 (syn: Cynanchum kenouriense Wight, Contr. Bot. India 58. 1834.) as per Taxonomy of Vincetoxicum s.str. (Asclepiadoideae, Apocynaceae) from southern Asia including three new species and resurrected names-  Sayed Afzal Shah, Amir Sultan, Jun Wen, Zahid Ullah, Surat Un Nisa, Zhumei Ren, Muhammad Maqsood Alam, Javed Iqbal, Abdul Samad Mumtaz - June 2021PhytoKeys 179(1):35-73
It states "Corolla tube ca. 1 mm long, lobes oblong with obtuse apices, 3–3.5 × 1–2 mm, glabrous within or sparse caducous trichomes present"
Thanks to the authors for solving the puzzle.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Both are reported from Kashmir

V. hirundinaria: Corolla lobes glabrous within

We see hairy here, which should be V. glaucum (Wall.) Rech.f. Flora of Pakistan treats it as synonym of V. canescens which according to POWO is a distinct species Native to East Aegean Is., Lebanon-Syria, Turkey

V. glaucum according to POWO has distribution in  Afghanistan, China South-Central, East Himalaya, Iran, Nepal, Pakistan, Tibet, West Himalaya.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,
Pl. see 2021 publication: 

 Taxonomy of Vincetoxicum s.str. (Asclepiadoideae, Apocynaceae) from southern Asia including three new species and resurrected names-  Sayed Afzal Shah, Amir Sultan, Jun Wen, Zahid Ullah, Surat Un Nisa, Zhumei Ren, Muhammad Maqsood Alam, Javed Iqbal, Abdul Samad Mumtaz - June 2021PhytoKeys 179(1):35-73

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Garg ji, I saw your paper just now, which supports my conclusion of the above plant being V. glaucum, as according to the above paper and POWO V. canescens does not occur in our area.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,

Pl. check the floral images at page 57 of the publication.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Garg ji

The paper cites my specimen from Harwan Kashmir (my Ph.D. research area) G. Singh 833 under V. kenouriense.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.

https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/

[J.M. Garg]

So you agree for V. kenouriense?

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[J.M. Garg]

Further analysing detailed description: 

	Vincetoxicum glaucum (Wall. ex Wight) Rech. f.	Vincetoxicum kenouriense (Wight) Wight
	Undershrubs, up to 40 cm tall. Stem striate, pubescent all around, internodes 1–6.8 cm long. Leaves petiolate; petioles 3–11 mm long, pubescent all around; lamina different shaped: narrowly ovate, oblong-ovate, elliptic ovate, lanceolate-ovate, 4–9.2 × 1.3–3.8 cm; margins smooth; apex acute to obtuse or sometimes mucronulate; base round or cuneate; veins visible on both surfaces, secondary veins 8–12 on each side of midvein; adaxial surface sub-glabrous, adaxial veins densely pubescent; abaxial surface glabrous to sub-glabrous, abaxial veins especially midrib pubescent; margins pubescent. Inflorescences sessile; bracts linear, ciliate; sepals tapering to acute apices, 1.5 mm long with ciliate margins; pedicels 1–3 mm long, pubescent; calycine colleters 5, exceeding the corolla tube in length; corolla green, not twisted, corolla tube 1 mm long, lobes tapering to pointed apex, 2 × 1 mm, bearded within; corona lobes longer than broad, 1 × 0.8 mm, exceeding the length of the gynostegium, base narrow, apex broad, toothed, divergent; staminal appendages obtuse; pollinaria deeply embedded in the gynostegium. Follicles and seeds not seen.	Undershrubs, up to 1 m tall. Stem pubescent all around or along 2 dense lines, inter-nodes 2–13 cm long. Leaves opposite; petioles 1–10 (–14) mm long, equally pubescent all around or sometimes denser along adaxial channel, lamina strongly discolorous, narrow to broadly ovate, 4–10 × 1.8–6.5 cm; apex narrowly acute to very shortly acuminate; base round to sub-cordate to sub-truncate; venation including tertiary and quaternary veins prominent, more prominent and raised on abaxial surface, secondary veins up to 14 on each side of midvein, trichomes absent on both surfaces, sometimes sparsely present on tertiary and quaternary veins, midrib and secondary veins densely pubescent on both surfaces, margins pubescent. Inflorescences mostly sessile, rarely both sessile and short-pedunculate inflorescences present on the same plant, peduncles up to 1.5 cm; bracts linear, up to 2 mm long, pubescent; pedicels 2–8 (–10) mm long, pubescent all around, sometimes pubescent along one or two longitudinal lines. Flowers yellowish-green to green, 4–5 × 2–2.5 mm; sepals tapering to acute or narrowly acute apices, up to 2 mm long, margins sparsely ciliate, calycine colleters 5 or 10 per flower; corolla tube ca. 1 mm long, lobes oblong with obtuse apices, 3–3.5 × 1–2 mm, glabrous within or sparse caducous trichomes present; corona lobes long-triangular with acute apex, slightly divergent, ca. 1 × 0.8 mm, exceeding slightly the length of the gynostegium. Follicles fusiform, up to 7 × 1 cm, apex long-acuminate, surface glabrous, slightly striate. Seeds brown, 6–7 × 3–3.5 mm, wings less than 1 mm broad; coma 2–3 mm long.
	Endemic to eastern Himalayas including India and Nepal and occurring at an elevation of over 2000 m. Herbarium label on W. Dudgeon & L.A. Kenoyer 56 (MO) indicates its habitat to be open grassy places.	Endemic to a long geographic range in the Hindukush Himalayas from Bhutan in the east to Pakistan in the west. The western limit of this spe- cies is district Swat (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province), Pakistan. It occurs on higher eleva- tions between 1500 and 3000 m. The habitats of the species are commonly the Himalayan moist temperate forests (evergreen forests of conifers between 1500 to 3000 m elevations), rarely subalpine or open alpine lands (above 3000 m). We collected it from open stony alpine slopes and stream side slopes in a V-shaped mountain valley. The as-ociated vegetation was either alpine herbs or conifers, and herbaceous to shrubby flora.

In view, I feel it is Vincetoxicum kenouriense (Wight) Wight only.

I have found Vincetoxicum glaucum (Wall. ex Wight) Rech. f. also in our observations, the post of which I will send to you, along with to others. 

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[J.M. Garg]

I checked all our observations.

They all appear to be Vincetoxicum kenouriense (Wight) Wight only.

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