Elaeocarpus sphaericus

[Satish Phadke]

Elaeocarpus sphaericus

Observed this tree outside a temple at village Chas (Rajgurunagar) on 24th Aug 2013.

Please validate.

Dr Satish Phadke

[Prashant Awale]

Nice find and beautiful photographs..

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Prashant

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[Nidhan Singh]

Very beautiful pictures Satish Ji..

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According to the Plant List Elaeocarpus sphaericus (Gaertn.) K.Schum. is a synonym of Elaeocarpus serratus L.

These pics also match with those for E. serratus on the Biotik site.

(It is not the same as Rudraksh)

regards

Radha

[Satish Phadke]

Radha ji

I agree what you state but BSI Flora clearly states that these are two distinct species and the key also says that the leaves of E.serratus are serrate and Drupes 1-2 seeded whereas they are obsurely crenate or serrate Drupes are 5-seeded. (The leaf margin of the above plant is almost smooth.)

and the Marathi name is "Rudraksha" and that for E.serratus is "Perinkara"

Dr Satish Phadke

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[radha veach]

Hi Satish,

this is quite confusing. Several of the species are known as rudraksha
in various sources.

Referring to your 4th picture, I can see some leaves are slightly
serrate. They are also quite obovate, unlike the lanceolate, acute and
narrower leaves of the tree whose seeds are mostly used for religious
malas.

I will try and post some of my pics later if I get a better internet connection!

regards
Radha

On 31/08/2013, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Radha ji
> I agree what you state but BSI Flora clearly states that these are two
> distinct species and the key also says that the leaves of E.serratus are
> serrate and Drupes 1-2 seeded whereas they are obsurely crenate or serrate
> Drupes are 5-seeded. (The leaf margin of the above plant is almost smooth.)
> and the Marathi name is "Rudraksha" and that for E.serratus is "Perinkara"
>
> Dr Satish Phadke
>
>
> On 31 August 2013 12:13, <radha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>> According to the Plant List* Elaeocarpus* *sphaericus* (Gaertn.) K.Schum.
>> is
>> a synonym <http://www.theplantlist.org/about/#synonym> of *Elaeocarpus* *
>> serratus* L. <http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2786005>

>>
>> These pics also match with those for E. serratus on the Biotik site.
>>
>> (It is not the same as Rudraksh)
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Radha
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 30, 2013 8:07:01 PM UTC+5:30, Satish Phadke wrote:
>>>

>>> *Elaeocarpus sphaericus *

[Satish Phadke]

Thanks a lot. Such interactions  are mandatory. Let us see what conclusion is reached.

[harithasandhya]

 Elaeocarpus serratus is native to Western Ghats evergreen forests. 

The leaf margins are serrated and the fruits are edible. It is called Kara in Malayalam.

 Its fruits (karakka) are used to make pickles. 

Several species of Elaeocarpus are generally called rudraksh.

 But I think the sacred rudraksh which is used to make religious malas is from the seeds of Elaeocarpus ganitrus which I believe is a Himalayan species.

No idea about E.sphaericus.

Hoping to hear more from the experts.

Regards,

Sandhya

[Muthu Karthick]

Interesting discussion. I will upload my Elaeocarpus pictures in new threads.

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Going through efi page at Elaeocarpus sphaericus may help.

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Elaeocarpus serratus page at efi.

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

According to the Plant List Elaeocarpus sphaericus (Gaertn.) K.Schum. is a synonym of Elaeocarpus serratus L.

These pics also match with those for E. serratus on the Biotik site. (It is not the same as Rudraksh) regards Radha

I agree what you state but BSI Flora clearly states that these are two distinct species and the key also says that the leaves of E.serratus are serrate and Drupes 1-2 seeded whereas they are obsurely crenate or serrate Drupes are 5-seeded. (The leaf margin of the above plant is almost smooth.)

and the Marathi name is "Rudraksha" and that for E.serratus is "Perinkara" Dr Satish Phadke

this is quite confusing. Several of the species are known as rudraksha

in various sources. Referring to your 4th picture, I can see some leaves are slightly serrate. They are also quite obovate, unlike the lanceolate, acute and narrower leaves of the tree whose seeds are mostly used for religious malas. I will try and post some of my pics later if I get a better internet connection! regards Radha

Thanks a lot. Such interactions  are mandatory. Let us see what conclusion is reached.  Dr Satish Phadke

Elaeocarpus serratus is native to Western Ghats evergreen forests.  The leaf margins are serrated and the fruits are edible. It is called Kara in Malayalam. Its fruits (karakka) are used to make pickles.  Several species of Elaeocarpus are generally called rudraksh. But I think the sacred rudraksh which is used to make religious malas is from the seeds of Elaeocarpus ganitrus which I believe is a Himalayan species. No idea about E.sphaericus. Hoping to hear more from the experts. Regards, Sandhya

efi pages on  Elaeocarpus sphaericus & Elaeocarpus serratus

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Elaeocarpus serratus ?

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Elaeocarpus sphaericus (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

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Distributed as Elaeocarpus serratus ?

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Elaeocarpus sphaericus (google.com)

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[J.M. Garg]

Yes, Elaeocarpus serratus L.

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