SK 2282 08 November 2019

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location:  Ranimahal, Palpa

Date: 25 September 2019

Elevation:648 m.

Habit : Wild

Which Argyreia  ? Central part of flower is not dark compared to images in Net!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[ushadi]

a. splendens  usually is light colored neck

but leaves are very different

so I don't know what this one is

Regards

Ushadi

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Argyreia nervosa (Burm.f.) Bojer ??

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[dr.rakesh Singh]

No , sir , not A .nervosa.

Flower size ? It seems small .

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Flower size is not rally small. Average to normal Ipomoea flower size.

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Saroj Kasaju

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[dr.rakesh Singh]

In that case please check for Argyreia capitiformis . 

[Saroj Kasaju]

It is not listed Dr. Singh !

Argyreia 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[dr.rakesh Singh]

I know , sir . I was checking all species listed . 

Among the listed ones , Argyreia bella suits most considering the leaf and inflorescence and flower . 

Problem is , there are not enough authentic live photos . Herbarium photos are not good enough for id the way we are doing here . 

Argyreia is difficult . 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Dr. Singh,

Elevation is matching but not much images in the net and description for 

comparison. However, GBIF link looks matching , specially the flower 

cluster of the herbarium. Another aspect is that the central part does not

have dark colour compared to other sp.

Argyreia bella (C.B.Clarke) Raizada

Argyreia bella (C.B.Clarke) Raizada

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I am no not fully convinced with id as Argyreia bella as per GBI specimens as leaf secondary veins look less and calyx and bracts also look somewhat different.

I am marking a copy to the author of Lectotypification of Argyreia bella (Convolvulaceae), in case he/ she helps us in the matter.

I am also not able to find description on the net.

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[ushadi]

i have gone thru this exercise with you all

i cant find any more than what you folks have

Does not BSI have  a monogrpah on A.

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Ushadi

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[dr.rakesh Singh]

Tragedy is , this species Argyreia bella was collected by Clarke from erstwhile Chhotanagpur , now Jharkhand and around  ... but I am yet to see any Argyreia  bella post from that region on facebook .

 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282401959_Lectotypification_of_Argyreia_bella_Convolvulaceae/link/5804b19f08ae56ba92cbda72/download

[ushadi]

Ok, thanks. picture of that lectotype

collected dated 1873

the leaves are still grey green ?

how is that possible

Regards

Ushadi

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation as Argyreia bella or otherwise please.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Resurfacing for ID : SK 2282 08 November 2019

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Argyreia bella ?

Group discussion at

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Argyreia bella ?

Group discussion at

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Date: Friday, November 8, 2019 at 2:05:02 PM UTC+5:30
Subject: SK 2282 08 November 2019

[J.M. Garg]

Could not find a match as per comparative images at Argyreia

I checked all the species listed in the Checklist of Nepal. 

Maybe Argyreia roxburghii as per GBIF specimens- one and two.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

By any means could it be Ipomoea staplesii J.R.I.Wood & Scotland syn : Argyreia wallichii Choisy ??

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rarepalmseeds.com%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fdata%2Fa%2Fargyreia-wallichii_0_1_800x1600_38f67.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rarepalmseeds.com%2Fargyreia-wallichii&tbnid=71Trub4vS2bwpM&vet=12ahUKEwiS7OqMuYj9AhUhjtgFHXLaCdAQMygAegUIARCvAQ..i&docid=GtO09bt8SCxcdM&w=800&h=800&q=Argyreia%20wallichii&hl=en&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiS7OqMuYj9AhUhjtgFHXLaCdAQMygAegUIARCvAQ

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fplants.jstor.org%2Ffsi%2Fimg%2Fsize1%2Falukaplant%2Fk%2Fphase_01%2Fk0007%2Fk000830657.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fplants.jstor.org%2Fstable%2F10.5555%2Fal.ap.specimen.k000830657&tbnid=IEERigFOSzV6sM&vet=12ahUKEwiS7OqMuYj9AhUhjtgFHXLaCdAQMygJegUIARDBAQ..i&docid=ZnH78CwvKQ-ZoM&w=141&h=200&itg=1&q=Argyreia%20wallichii&hl=en&client=safari&ved=2ahUKEwiS7OqMuYj9AhUhjtgFHXLaCdAQMygJegUIARDBAQ

However, there is no distribution for Nepal.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Dr. Wood,

Could you please look into this : https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/vTvd6olzLQ4/m/gP5XsdU-AAAJ. ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, you seem to be right as per GBIF specimens (one and two) and FoC illustration and Rareplamseeds. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

In that case it would be  a new record for Nepal ! Let us wait for the opinion from Dr. Wood.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju