Scrophularia himalensis ABAUG2019/02

[Ashwini Bhatia]

As discussed in the group by other members before, there is some confusion about the nomenclature of this species. While Francis Pennell (Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalyas) and earlier George Bentham (Scrophularianeae Indicae) both use Scrophularia himlayensis, POWO only recognises Scrophularia himalensis.

A very similar plant, Scrophularia elatior, is listed in Flora of China and is accepted by POWO. The distribution is given Nepal and farther east towards South-central China.

There is no mention of S. himalensis in Flora of China, which is understandable as POWO gives its distribution only farther west of Nepal: in Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir.

So our plants should be S. himalensis since S. himalayensis is not accepted by POWO or the Plant List.

When and how the name changed or whether it was a result of a typo, I could not find out.

Pennell describes the species as:

"Leaf-blades cordate at base, dentate but not lobed, glabrate; inflorescence relatively wide about 10 cm. wide; sepals obtuse-rounded, slightly scarious-margined; corolla becoming 4-5 mm. long; style 6-9 mm. long; seeds 0.5-0.6 mm. long; stems terete."

This fits our species well. However, dimensions vary a bit as they would if Pennell was describing the species using herbarium specimens.  I am yet to see the seeds but the inflorescence can be 20cm wide and 45-50cm long on plants which can be more than 6ft tall. Corolla length is correct in the description but style is roughly 12mm long. The four stamens are slightly shorter and I could not find any staminodes. The leaves can be as large as 25cm long and 12cm wide and vary in shape on the same plant, some more elongated than others. To me, the leaves are one of the most attractive of all plants. Petiole has a groove running along its length and some can have hairs on the sides. The main stem is squarish with rounded edges, becoming more round upwards. It may not be very strong as it's common to see the plants battered by rain.

It is also difficult to see the corolla made up of two lips. I have tried but not understood properly. 

I am sharing some photos here to show some of these features.

All photos taken in Mcleodganj and above, between 1750-1850m elevations, this year and earlier.

Thank you.

Ashwini Bhatia

PS: I had to remove some photos as the message size exceeded 8mb.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Scrophularia L. - GBIFhttps://www.gbif.org/species/3170861/metrics

Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

A Marvellous presentation Ashwini Ji,

With regards.

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Good discussion and conclusions. AShwini

and great pictures

usha di

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[mcleodwild]

Thank you Saroj ji, Paradesi ji and Ushadi.

I missed checking on GBIF which accepts Scrophularia himalayensis Royle ex Benth. but has no records (occurrences) associated with it. It lists Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as 'doubtful' but gives 17 occurrences (11 for S. himalensis Royle, which it treats as a synonym). To add to the confusion, a few herbarium specimens included are recorded originally as S. himalayensis.

I am not sure how to resolve this. I will defer to our senior members to decide.

With regards,

Ashwini

[Ushadi Micromini]

appreciate it

oh 

mcleodwild  is you.

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Yes, Ushadi, it’s me. My other email was getting too full and I decided to create a new account to use with the group.

Regards,

Ashwini

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Ashwini Ji,

Better to upgrade to 100 GB at $ 19.99 per year. Suggestion !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Saroj ji. Will look into that.

Regards,

Ashwini

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[J.M. Garg]

I have 1 TB now. i. e. 1000 Gb now from earlier 100 Gb subscription. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Does it mean you now pay more to subscribe to 1TB plan? or the ITB plan now costs the same as 100 GB earlier?

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

You have to pay more. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thanks.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashwini ji,

You can post upto 8 mb in first post and than attach again upto 8 mb in its reply.

Thus, you can post upto any amount but in successive replies in the same thread. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do that in future.

[J.M. Garg]

I have learnt that when in doubt, pl. follow IPNI 

So take Scrophularia himalensis Royle ex Benth. as the correct name.

There is no record of the other name in IPNI on search. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr. Garg. I will do as advised.

Warm regards,

Ashwini