ID OF THIS GORGEOUS IRIS FROM UTTARKHAND, 3750 METRES ABOVE MSL

145 views
Skip to first unread message

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 6, 2018, 1:02:10 AM7/6/18
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group help establish the ID this Iris species. Is it Wild Himalayan Iris/Kumaon Iris (Iris Hookeriana)?

Could the group provide info on this species, conservation status, other distinctive, interesting aspects? 

(The pic was taken  while trekking from Gunji to Kuti, Uttarakhand, around 3,750 m. Village Kuti is a last village in Byans valley.)



Best regards,

Vikram Jit Singh

(09814019356)

Golf Columnist and Wildlife Correspondent: 

The Times of India at Chandigarh (India). 



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toireporter/author-Vikram-Jit-Singh.cms 


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-feminism-in-vogue/story-i0vWsRwTTijaIenfxZRHQN.html



Columnist and writer for: 


The Hindustan Times


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/co-s-letter-bomb-to-brigade-commander-blows-up-after-17-years-via-twitter/story-UFgbWx6L65LsdILHUhJ3kK.html





http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-demonising-the-gharial/story-ByDVAyG3nbMTN66PSi3D8L.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/a-ban-on-dawn-s-dew/story-x9SYGLUz472SOkEXNgMgXI.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-touched-by-the-sun/story-cDl6qyUBwshDw0rWSDkFjM.html

http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wild-buzz-cooperative-of-scavengers/story-bbbB4tKOrjEwI9D0CojumN.html






http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wild-buzz-harike-under-siege/story-AS6LFy7DaZJKv6Bu74BMUK.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-kiran-ki-kalpana/story-YJzbpNFj4Ei3DmiHdYAShP.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-from-the-jaws-of-death/story-sAXNhH8BlWIBq0gmhhjuRI.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-man-eaters-of-begumpur/story-SRWrWwIVv1L0E6P4iKZX3L.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/wildbuzz-death-at-dawn/story-tMymRnkgLarg1FqkTmOCpN.html


http://www.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/hiss-highness-is-high-up/article1-13732 
22.aspx 

The Daily Post 


http://epaper.dailypostindia.com/Details.aspx?id=111456&boxid=59264&uid&dat=2014-07-22#.U83Vm7Xqt5U.facebook











himalayanwildiris1.jpg

J.M. Garg

unread,
Jul 6, 2018, 8:32:45 AM7/6/18
to efloraofindia, Vikramjit Singh
himalayanwildiris1.jpg

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 6, 2018, 10:14:00 AM7/6/18
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia, Vikramjit Singh
Iris kemaonensis, differing from Iris hookeriana (flower on a stem up to 12 cm long; perianth tube 2-3 cm long) in being almost stemless, perianth tube 5-7 cm long , 


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 6, 2018, 11:24:52 PM7/6/18
to Gurcharan Singh, J.M. Garg, efloraofindia
Thank you, Dr Gurcharan ji, Mr Garg, for establishing ID as I. kemaonensis.

I am attaching 2 more pics of the same specimens for further clarity.

Best regards.



--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



himalayanwildiris3.jpg
himalayanwildiris4.jpg

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 12:48:11 AM8/22/18
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group help establish the ID these wonderful, high-altitude, monsoon flowers photographed at the Rohtang Pass, Himachal Pradesh. 

Best regards,
flowermonsoonRohtangpasUmeshGognaTHC.jpg

J.M. Garg

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:22:51 AM8/22/18
to efloraofindia, Vikramjit Singh
I think you are asking for id of pink flowers.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: vikram jit singh <vikramji...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed 22 Aug, 2018, 10:18 AM
Subject: ID OF THESE MONSOON FLOWERS FROM ROHTANG PASS
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>


flowermonsoonRohtangpasUmeshGognaTHC.jpg

Saroj Kasaju

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:30:03 AM8/22/18
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia, Vikramjit Singh
Bistorta vaccinifolia  ??

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:31:54 AM8/22/18
to kasaj...@gmail.com, J.M. Garg, efloraofindia

Thank you, I am also seeking ID of adjacent yellow flowers?


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

J.M. Garg

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:33:18 AM8/22/18
to efloraofindia, Vikramjit Singh
For that close up details are required.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: vikram jit singh <vikramji...@gmail.com>
Date: 22 August 2018 at 10:59
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:303082] Fwd: ID OF THESE MONSOON FLOWERS FROM ROHTANG PASS
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>


Thank you, Mr Garg, I am also seeking ID of the adjacent yellow flowers?




--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.




--
With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 are directly displayed).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:35:42 AM8/22/18
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia
Thank you, but that is all I have. Perhaps, an informed guess?
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

Saroj Kasaju

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:37:14 AM8/22/18
to vikram jit singh, J.M. Garg, efloraofindia
Flower image is not so clear for ID! Any close ups ?

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:38:44 AM8/22/18
to kasaj...@gmail.com, efloraofindia

Thank you, but that is all I have. Perhaps, an informed guess on yellow flowers?

Nidhan Singh

unread,
Aug 22, 2018, 1:53:21 AM8/22/18
to vikram jit singh, Saroj Kumar Kasaju, indiantreepix
The pink ones might be Persicaria vivipara, and the yellow flowers may belong to Potentilla sp. or Acomastylis elata 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 11:08 AM vikram jit singh <vikramji...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, but that is all I have. Perhaps, an informed guess on yellow flowers?

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.


--
Regards,

Dr. Nidhan Singh
Assistant Professor
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 23, 2018, 1:30:31 AM8/23/18
to Nidhan Singh, J.M. Garg, Saroj Kasaju, efloraofindia
Thank you, Dr Nidhan ji.

There is a difference of opinion on the pink flowers, Persicaria v. or a Bistorta species. So, what should I settle for?

J.M. Garg

unread,
Aug 23, 2018, 9:10:39 AM8/23/18
to vikram jit singh, Nidhan Singh, Saroj Kasaju, efloraofindia

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 24, 2018, 11:47:31 PM8/24/18
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia
Thank you, Mr Garg.

vikram jit singh

unread,
Dec 28, 2018, 1:58:31 AM12/28/18
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, Nidhan Singh
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group help establish the ID of this supposed algae, photographed in the Shivalik foothills, Siswan (Mohali district), near Chandigarh, recently.

Best regards,
WhatsApp Image 2018-12-27 at 8.25.35 AM.jpeg

Nidhan Singh

unread,
Dec 28, 2018, 2:24:25 AM12/28/18
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, J.M. Garg
I think it is more likely to be a Fungus rather than an Alga, but I may be wrong...

Ushadi Micromini

unread,
Dec 29, 2018, 6:35:42 PM12/29/18
to Nidhan Singh, vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, J.M. Garg
you are not wrong Nidhan

it is red fungus
called red/scarlet  elf cup fungus 
often growing with moss, which it is doing it here
but described as growing on dead wood
which i dont see in this picture
but moss's presence tells me its/the soil is  humid a lot of the time

can the maker of the photograph give any history or more pictures?

usha di


On Fri, Dec 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM Nidhan Singh <nidhans...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it is more likely to be a Fungus rather than an Alga, but I may be wrong...

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to indian...@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.


--
Usha di
===========

vikram jit singh

unread,
Dec 29, 2018, 11:20:37 PM12/29/18
to Ushadi Micromini, efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, Anil Rajbhar, Nidhan Singh
Thanks all for their valuable insights.

No further pics are available as of now or details of soil condition. The only fact available is the specimen was photographed in the Shivalik foothills of Siswan, where they undertake the final descent to the plains. The photographer was a trekker. Will seek further clarity, if possible, from the photographer.

Best regards.

Anil Thakur

unread,
Dec 30, 2018, 3:36:44 AM12/30/18
to efloraofindia
Pink one is Bistorta affinis (Unresoklved name at theplantlist)
Yellow appears Potentilla sp.

Regards
Dr. Anil Thakur

Ushadi Micromini

unread,
Dec 30, 2018, 7:57:31 PM12/30/18
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, Anil Rajbhar, Nidhan Singh
Noted. 
--
Usha di
===========

vikram jit singh

unread,
Dec 31, 2018, 11:23:00 PM12/31/18
to Anil Thakur, efloraofindia
Thank you, Dr Thakur.

carmelita

unread,
Jan 1, 2019, 6:31:49 AM1/1/19
to efloraofindia
Wow, gorgeous image! 
Please look at Iris Kemaonensis. thank you. 

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 2:43:04 AM7/12/19
to J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh, D.S Rawat, efloraofindia
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group assist in a brief description and possibly ID of these wild flowers I photographed while climbing with Indian Army expeditions to 15000 feet and above to commemorate the 20 years of the Kargil War. How do these flowers survive in the conditions peculiar to these sectors?
And any other general comment on these flowers from the battlefields of Tololing, Khalubar, Bhimbet nallah etc.

Best regards,
IMG_3481.JPG
LXVU7425.JPG
IMG_3485.JPG
kargilflowerskhalubar.jpg

Saroj Kasaju

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 3:22:34 AM7/12/19
to efloraindia, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh, D.S Rawat
Dear Mr. Singh,

Please post individual sp. separately along with date like elevation, date, location , habitat image
and all aspects of the sp. 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 3:55:59 AM7/12/19
to efloraofindia, Saroj Kasaju, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh, D.S Rawat
Dear Mr Kasaju,

My requirement at the moment is very limited as I am a news journalist. I shall seek detailed answers later on each species. I have indicated the general, contiguous areas and altitudes where I found these flowers. My focus is to explain the war by referring to the flowers found in each of the battlezones.

Thank you.

Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 5:10:02 AM7/12/19
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh, D.S Rawat

1.  Check for Oxytropis spp. Occurring in that area.

2.  Hooker's Iris (Iris hookeriana)

3.  Clustered Rhodiola (Rhodiola fastigiate)

4.  Can be Alpine aster (Aster flaccidus)

Regards

Dr. Anil Thakur

 


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xvP4c6X6pFM/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.


--
With best Regards,

Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur







Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 11:23:18 AM7/12/19
to Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur, efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
I think Anil Kumar ji is right. It could be Oxytropis tatarica Baker, similar plant O. willamsii, formerly under O. tatarica is distributed in Nepal.
Associated leaves below belong to different plant.


  


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 12, 2019, 11:08:50 PM7/12/19
to efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, Gurcharan Singh, J.M. Garg
Thank you so much for your enlightened guidance, Dr. Anil and Dr Gurcharan ji.

Could also briefly tell me how these flowers survive under so much snow and barren mountains in summer? Or something that distinguished the flora of the Kargil-batalik regions?


vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 15, 2019, 12:59:05 AM7/15/19
to efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, Gurcharan Singh, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Could the members acquainted with the flora of the Mashkoh-Drass-Kargil-Batalik altitudes lend a perspective on my query below? I am writing an article in The Times of India on these flowers and would like readers to know something about the flora of these former battle zones.

Thanks & regards,

Vikram Jit Singh.

Golf Columnist, Defence & War Correspondent and Wildlife Correspondent: 


Columnist and Sunday Wildbuzz columnist for: 


The Hindustan Times

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 15, 2019, 1:18:13 PM7/15/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Dear Vikram Jit Singh ji
I am presently at California, and as such most of my literature is in India. Hope these help

 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

Flora of Ladakh-2.htm
1975-Phytosociology Ladakh.PDF
1976-New Records Ladakh.PDF
Flora of Ladakh checklist.htm
Flora of Ladakh-RRStewart.pdf

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 15, 2019, 1:24:16 PM7/15/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
One more


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

Ladakh-Wildenowia.pdf

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 15, 2019, 1:31:28 PM7/15/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 15, 2019, 11:57:23 PM7/15/19
to Gurcharan Singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Thank you very much, Dr Gurcharan ji, for these links.

The links have opened an entire new world for me of understanding --- having seen and picked those mysterious flowers from battles in 1999 and now, once again, 20 years later.


Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 16, 2019, 12:19:12 AM7/16/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Dear Vikram Jit Singh ji
We have botanised these regions in 1970-72, first time hitchhiking the travel from army vehicles as there was no regular transport to remote areas, walking long distances or even taking pony rides, subsequently in University jeeps. As there were no digital cameras, film cameras were a luxury, we would only collect herbarium specimens to be deposited in University herbarium. We explored Kargil and surroundings, Suru valley extensively.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 17, 2019, 11:40:45 PM7/17/19
to Gurcharan Singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Thank you, Dr Gurcharan ji, for sharing memories of your marvelous botany expeditions, though tough on body and mind, but a lifelong asset of experience and discovery, exhilarating for the soul and a voyage into the unknown that not all whose destiny is so privileged .

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 21, 2019, 3:22:42 AM7/21/19
to Gurcharan Singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Could the members please help ID:

1. First 2 pics, yellow roses (seemed to grow wild in thickets) along the base of Bhimbet nallah (village Trongjun) a few kilometres east of Drass, Kargil. Pics taken on July 5, 2019.

2. Tiny reddish and yellow flowers from Khalubar ridge, Batalik, along snow-melt streams, altitude about 13,000 feet. Pic taken on July 8, 2019.

WhatsApp Image 2019-07-21 at 12.36.35 PM.jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2019-07-21 at 12.36.35 PM (1).jpeg
WhatsApp Image 2019-07-21 at 12.36.34 PM.jpeg

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Jul 24, 2019, 11:25:20 AM7/24/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
First two represent Rosa, don't remember any wild rose with yellow double flowers. Third image has red flowers belonging to I hope Rhodiola fastigiata and large yellow flowers in foreground Potentilla argyrphylla.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

vikram jit singh

unread,
Jul 24, 2019, 11:35:23 PM7/24/19
to efloraofindia, Anil Thakur, J.M. Garg, D.S Rawat
Thank you, Dr Gurcharan ji.

'Rosa', would imply escapees of cultivated roses or hybrid roses, not wild roses?

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 21, 2019, 2:13:51 AM8/21/19
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group help identify a cactus growing in the Junk Lungpa (nallah), 12,825 feet, Batalik LOC sector, north-eastern Ladakh. This cactus was described as one with long spines by Col. Lalit Rai, Vir Chakra, while leading troops of the 1/11 Gurkha Rifles to battles on the Khalubar ridge rising to the west of the Junk Lungpa.

One of his officers, Major Christopher Correya, while trying to seek cover from heavy Pakistani machine gun fire coming from the Khalubar ridge, plonked down hard on the cactus spines with disastrous results as it was growing by the side of a huge boulder, which afforded the only protection from the firing. However,  Major Correya felt it was a ''comfortable seat'' compared to the kind of firing the Pakistani intruders were bringing down in the open space ahead and behind the boulder! 

What could be possible species of cactus found in that region?

(I have attached two pics of cactus from Ladakh region as a speculation of the species mentioned by Col. Rai.)  

Best regards,

Vikram Jit Singh

(09814019356)

Golf Columnist and Wildlife Correspondent: 
cactuskaushalmeenaNubra.jpg
cactusJVlogsLadakh.jpg

Ushadi Micromini

unread,
Aug 21, 2019, 3:24:59 AM8/21/19
to efloraofindia, itpmods, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh
Dear sir:

the first picture is most likely a  copy righted picture found at this url:
do you have Kausal Meena's permission to use the picture ?
He is the photographer who created this series ...
in google images there is a warning just under this photo: 
Tripoto
Images may be subject to copyright. Find out more
Related images

you see its not in creative commons domain.... 

before pictures like these used, 
even if for noble reason like helping out the poor army guy who fell on it....
one must get permission, esp for your self since you will definitely use the info gained here
for writing your publications ...

after i found this photo in that travelogue of Kaushal Meena,  i was puzzled , 
how can the army person's picture end up in someone else's  trip pictures?, 
then i re-read your post, and found this in your write up: 
quote: (I have attached two pics of cactus from Ladakh region 
as a speculation of the species mentioned by Col. Rai.)  end quote.

since you obviously found it, its just a matter of copying "Image address" which is just below 
"copy image" button.
we in India need to be proactive about these ethical issues.   
we do not wish to add to a growing bad name for ourselves in the world. do we???

Secondly now I would like you to give the full credit to this maker, by asking his permission
and maker of the second picture by sending in the url and permission from its maker. 

before you use any information about these cacti  for your publications. 

thank you
usha di

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CALBm60CJMd1dBmO2xSE35D9%3DwP0WX_hgtcPv_LjexJWHQ46BvQ%40mail.gmail.com.


--
Usha di
===========

Ushadi Micromini

unread,
Aug 21, 2019, 3:30:46 AM8/21/19
to efloraofindia, itpmods, J.M. Garg, Gurcharan Singh
both pictures seem to be Euphorbia with large thorns, 
likely candidates are Euphorbia psuedocactus var called Zig zag
these is a large specimen showed at Daves garden site at this URL:


--
Usha di
===========

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 21, 2019, 3:40:19 AM8/21/19
to efloraofindia
Yes, it is from his Kaushal Meena's post but I have no intention to publish it. Only as a reference as a possible ID. I normally mention the photographer even when seeking a reference on ID but due to an inadvertent error did not do so. 
 

Ushadi Micromini

unread,
Aug 21, 2019, 3:45:51 AM8/21/19
to efloraofindia
thats fine then





--
Usha di
===========

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Aug 23, 2019, 7:52:38 AM8/23/19
to Ushadi Micromini, efloraofindia, itpmods, J.M. Garg
First image for sure is a thistle from family Asteraceae, A cirsium sp., probably Cirsium falconeri, quite common at those altitudes. Second may be Euhorbia, have to see critically.
 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

ushadi

unread,
Aug 23, 2019, 10:00:52 AM8/23/19
to Gurcharan Singh, efloraofindia, itpmods, J.M. Garg
Gee wiz, never imagined a thistle to look so formidable.
and its "leaves" looks  like the stem of a cactus like plant...
few pictures I see on the net however show  a thin stem between leaves
which I don't see here in the picture by  mr. Meena that vikram copy pasted from the net.


Gurcharanji, though as I think about this, that white line down the middle on the first picture should have
made me pause and think of them as leaves and not "stems" .....  then thistle becomes a distinct possibility.

that's why you are the Guru.

Regards
Ushadi

J.M. Garg

unread,
Aug 29, 2019, 3:53:14 AM8/29/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia
Hi, Vikram ji,
All your posts for in last one year are getting clubbed in the same thread. Pl. see.
I think this is happening possibly as you may be modifying the subjects in the previous mails and forwarding it to the group with fresh attachments.

In view, pl. post different requests for ids, in separate mails with unique subject by mailing to indian...@googlegroups.com as per Posting Guidelines
--
With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 1,70,000 images are directly displayed).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

vikram jit singh

unread,
Aug 30, 2019, 12:49:02 AM8/30/19
to J.M. Garg, efloraofindia
Fine, thanks, Mr Garg.

vikram jit singh

unread,
Sep 2, 2019, 11:59:05 PM9/2/19
to Gurcharan Singh, efloraofindia
Dear Dr Gurcharan ji,

Thank you for the possible IDs.

I spoke to Col. Lalit Rai (retd.), Vir Chakra, and he felt it was the second image (possible Euhorbia) that matched the plant his battalion (1/11 Gurkha Rifles) encountered during the War when bullets were flying at them thick and fast along the Junk Lungpa and Khalubar ridge, Batalik LOC sector, in the first week of July 1999. Col. Rai added that the plant they encountered looked like the second image but was pretty big and spread out in the shadow of the large boulder.

Could you shed some light on this species or any other related species that could be encountered in that region, and whether the spines have any kind of substance poisonous to humans?

cactusJVlogsLadakh.jpg

Thanks and regards.



On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 5:22 PM Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

ushadi

unread,
Sep 3, 2019, 1:42:45 AM9/3/19
to efloraofindia, Gurcharan Singh
your picture is not one that that soldier fell on....

and its not the spines per se
when someone falls on a plant, it breaks
breaks the branches
if you do any kind of gardening or hiking etc
you know, breaking many plants oozes some sort of sap..
euphorbias ooze a milky sap, most often

that milky sap is a strong irritant
can result in blisters on skin,
keratoconuctivitis if it goes in eyes 9directly or thru contaminated fingers)
etc etc
since its a euphorbia
search for euphorbia sap and toxicity
read  and
make up your own mind
I will give you a couple of references to start you off on your journey...
this one is about eyes and is an indian paper:

german site page : about the toxicity

happy reading

Regards
Ushadi


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

Gurcharan Singh

unread,
Sep 11, 2019, 7:48:39 AM9/11/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia
Dear Vikram Jit Singh Ji
Here is Online useful book on Ladakh Plants. I have listed plants with spiny leaves/stems. You may Google search those that are not illustrated in the book.


Berberis ulicina 
Capparis spinosa
Caragana versicolor 
Cirsium falconeri
Cirsium wallichii  
Cousinia falconeri
Cousinia thomsonii
Echinops cornigerus   
Lonicera spinosa
Rosa ecae
Rosa webbiana   
  


Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Mob: 9810359089

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:26 AM vikram jit singh <vikramji...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dr Gurcharan ji,

Could you please deploy your expertise on the flora of Ladakh and suggest the possible species with thorns/spines etc from the Batalik region?

I seek to draw the attention of readers to the unknown floral and faunal marvels of that region via the medium of a war setting that is etched firmly in the minds of the contemporary generation.

Thanks & regards. 

Saroj Kasaju

unread,
Sep 12, 2019, 7:58:10 AM9/12/19
to efloraindia, vikram jit singh

Thank you Gurucharan Sir !

Saroj Kasaju


--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepi...@googlegroups.com.

ushadi

unread,
Sep 12, 2019, 1:11:38 PM9/12/19
to efloraofindia, Gurcharan Singh, Saroj Kasaju, vikram jit singh
Well that's a lot of reading for the sender
Thanks Gurcharanji
I hope they will correlate pictures in your references with the plants that caused them trouble.


lets hope we hear some feed back on his research
and feedback from the army folks thru Vikram
after all those info Gurcharanji and I gave


Regards
Ushadi


vikram jit singh

unread,
Sep 25, 2019, 1:23:38 AM9/25/19
to efloraofindia, J.M. Garg
Dear Mr. Garg,

Could the members of this esteemed group help confirm the identify of a beautiful flower growing on a vine at the City Forest/Nagar Van, Chandigarh.

The vine is currently in bloom and was identified by a flower enthusiast as
 Aristolochia elegans.  

Best regards,


(Pics by VJS and Dalvinder Saini)
WhatsApp Image 2019-09-25 at 10.29.51 AM (1).jpeg
flowercityforestdalvindersaini.jpg

J.M. Garg

unread,
Sep 25, 2019, 2:06:51 AM9/25/19
to vikram jit singh, efloraofindia
Hi, Vikram Jit ji,
Things have not changed.
All your posts are coming in the same thread at ID OF THIS GORGEOUS IRIS FROM UTTARKHAND, 3750 METRES ABOVE MSL
Pl. see.
I think this is happening possibly as you may be modifying the subjects in the previous mails and forwarding it to the group with fresh attachments.
In view, pl. post different requests for ids, in separate mails with unique subject by mailing to indian...@googlegroups.com as per Posting Guidelines
Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages