Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22

Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 8, 2016, 2:38:52 AM8/8/16

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This tall apiaceae with large leaves may be Angelica oreadum. Please advise. The photos are of two separate individuals.

Mcleodganj-Triund, HP

2500m and above.

06 August 2016.

Thanks.

Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Aug 8, 2016, 2:47:34 AM8/8/16

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Superb photography!!!

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Aug 8, 2016, 2:56:10 AM8/8/16

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Thank you Mr Garg.

On 8 Aug 2016, at 12:17, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Superb photography!!!

On 8 August 2016 at 12:08, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

This tall apiaceae with large leaves may be Angelica oreadum. Please advise. The photos are of two separate individuals.

Mcleodganj-Triund, HP
2500m and above.
06 August 2016.

Thanks.
Ashwini

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Aug 12, 2016, 6:57:56 AM8/12/16

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Looks different from images at Angelica oreada

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 19, 2016, 8:01:09 AM8/19/16

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Looks different from images at Angelica oreada- from me

Pl. check comparative images at Apiaceae & at Angelica, Bupleurum, Chaerophyllum, Daucus, Eryngium, Heracleum, Pimpinella, Selinum & Seseli

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 22, 2016, 4:29:28 AM8/22/16

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As I had mentioned in my original message that the photos were of two separate individuals. I realised had made a mistake in clubbing the two together now that the seeds have appeared on the first plant. I tracked down that plant and am posting the photos form the same single plant. Please advise.

Thanks.

Ashwini

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Looks different from images at Angelica oreada- from me

Pl. check comparative images at Apiaceae & at Angelica, Bupleurum, Chaerophyllum, Daucus, Eryngium, Heracleum, Pimpinella, Selinum & Seseli

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This tall apiaceae with large leaves may be Angelica oreadum. Please advise. The photos are of two separate individuals.

Mcleodganj-Triund, HP
2500m and above.
06 August 2016.

Thanks.
Ashwini

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 22, 2016, 5:38:21 AM8/22/16

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Thanks, Ashwini ji.

J.M. Garg

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Aug 26, 2016, 4:19:07 AM8/26/16

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Pl. check Heracleum candicans Wall. ex DC.

J.M. Garg

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Aug 26, 2016, 11:29:11 PM8/26/16

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Date: 26 August 2016 at 19:30
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:249039] Angelica oreadum? ABAUG2016/22
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Thank you Mr Garg. Heracleum has winged seeds (as in my earlier mistaken photo). Now that I have seeds from the same plant (correctly this time!) we can see that seeds do not have wings. I think Angelica species is very likely.

Many thanks and regards,

Ashwini

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Pl. check Heracleum candicans Wall. ex DC.

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As I had mentioned in my original message that the photos were of two separate individuals. I realised had made a mistake in clubbing the two together now that the seeds have appeared on the first plant. I tracked down that plant and am posting the photos form the same single plant. Please advise.

Thanks.
Ashwini

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 12, 2019, 6:18:19 AM8/12/19

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In view of recent thread by Saroj ji at SK1920 16 May 2019, I agree with id of Angelica oreadum (DIELS) M.HIROE

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 12, 2019, 6:36:47 AM8/12/19

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Thank you Mr. Garg. I think this could be Heracleum candicans. Please give me some time and I will write.

Regards,

Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Aug 12, 2019, 6:46:12 AM8/12/19

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I do not think so as per Heracleum candicans

Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 12, 2019, 7:18:24 AM8/12/19

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The leaf undersurface of our plants is silvery. I am waiting for the mature fruit as the shape changes as they mature, I think.

So, it could be H. candicans, and in my view it's better to wait for a certain ID.

Thanks once again.

Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Aug 12, 2019, 7:23:32 AM8/12/19

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Yes, we can wait. there is no issue.

Ushadi Micromini

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Aug 13, 2019, 4:21:43 AM8/13/19

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nice case

yes will wait

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Saroj Kasaju

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Aug 13, 2019, 6:22:49 AM8/13/19

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Would be interesting !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Aug 21, 2019, 6:46:37 AM8/21/19

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On further checking, I found your post is correct for Heracleum candicans as is also for Saroj ji's post at SK1920 16 May 2019

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 21, 2019, 7:03:07 AM8/21/19

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Thank you Mr. Garg.

I am attaching one photo of the leaf undersurface for the record. I will go hiking soon and get photos of the seeds before settling on an ID.

Regards,

Ashwini

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 21, 2019, 7:40:01 AM8/21/19

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Thanks, Ashwini ji.

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Aug 24, 2019, 10:55:30 PM8/24/19

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I finally have the fruit. I think the plant is Heracleum candicans. Please advice.

Thanks.

Ashwini

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

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J.M. Garg

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Aug 24, 2019, 11:25:09 PM8/24/19

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Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji.

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ushadi

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Aug 25, 2019, 9:04:49 AM8/25/19

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Ashwini

your perseverance paid off

the fruits are gorgeous

and your photography superb

and to the point.

obovate and pubescent per this page

that page also mentions a distinct aroma of the crushed leaf...

is there an aroma?

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Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 25, 2019, 11:45:56 AM8/25/19

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Thank you Ushadi. The flowers had a distinct aroma but I did not crush a leaf. Next time I am up there, I will check it out.

There are a couple of excellent papers on fruit morphology of Apiaceae by Chinese scientists that might interest you:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225527578_Phylogeny_and_biogeography_of_Chinese_Heracleum_Apiaceae_Tribe_Tordylieae_with_comments_on_their_fruit_morphology

https://bioone.org/journals/Systematic-Botany/volume-42/issue-2/154823217X695539/The-Phylogenetic-Significance-of-Fruit-Anatomical-and-Micromorphological-Structures-in/10.1600/154823217X695539.short

Regards,

Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Aug 25, 2019, 10:53:00 PM8/25/19

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Thanks, Ashwini ji

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ushadi

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Aug 26, 2019, 1:31:09 AM8/26/19

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Thank you Ashwini

write to you after I read the two papers

and some more I found about the anatomy of the seeds

very interesting

and I learned something new

get back to you soon

Regards

Ushadi

Ashwini Bhatia

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Aug 26, 2019, 10:41:53 PM8/26/19

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Thank you Ushadi.

Warm regards,

Ashwini

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