2015april_sk24/24 : Agave sp.

[surajit koley]

Recorded in Oct, 2009.

[Ushadi Micromini]

nice

did it die off after the flowering

what happened to the tall stalk...and seeds?

usha di

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 6:52 PM, surajit koley <surajitno...@gmail.com> wrote:

Recorded in Oct, 2009.

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[surajit koley]

I do not know Didi if the plant is still there in that private garden.

Thank you

Regards

surajit

[D.S Rawat]

Agave die after producing large inflorescence which exhaust the energy of the plant. But before death a plant produce numerous bulbils in place of flowers which when fall on ground root out and grow as new plants.
DSRawat Pantnagar

[surajitkoley]

Thank you Rawat Sir, didn't know, sounds interesting.

Regards

surajit

[Ushadi Micromini]

yes dr rawat

happens all over sw usa every few years

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

‎Agave species in eFloraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)

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[Pudji Widodo]

What about Agave americana?

Pudji Widodo

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[surajit koley]

Thank you very much Pudji Ji.

Thanks Garg Sir.

Regards

surajit

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Agave americana ?

Group discussion at

2015april_sk24/24 : Agave sp. (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Agave americana ?

Group discussion at

2015april_sk24/24 : Agave sp. (google.com)

[surajit koley]

Sir,

I think it is Agave cantula Roxb., presently A. vivipara L. - http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:61868-1

Thank you.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

I think Agave angustifolia Haw. is more likely as per comparative images and keys at Agave. 

Looks different from Agave cantula Roxb. as per 
https://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2880
http://tropical.theferns.info/image.php?id=Agave+cantala
https://worldofsucculents.com/agave-cantala-bombay-aloe-manila-maguey/
http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/EasternGhats/herbsheet.php?id=163&cat=4

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[surajit koley]

Thanks a lot, Sir ji, I didn't even bother to check when I wrote the only entry of Agave in "Bengal Plants"!

Explanation of " didn't even bother" -

1. I made a lot of mistakes!
2. I make a lot of mistakes!

As per KEYSERVER - https://keyserver.lucidcentral.org/weeds/data/media/Html/agave_angustifolia.htm

Scientific Name

Agave angustifolia Haw.

Note: the Queensland Herbarium currently recognises this species by the name Agave vivipara L.

and 

as per KEW - http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:61868-1

• Agave cantula Roxb.

This is a synonym of Agave vivipara L.

To tell you the truth, is that, these days it makes no difference to me if any of my uploads turns out to be Xyz.abc instead of Abc.xyz, for I did, I do make a lot of mistakes all the time.

Thank you.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Surajit ji,

You are an expert now in the way you analyse things. 

Btw, I did not make any less mistakes than you. 

It is always good. 

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[surajit koley]

Yes, Sir ji, agreed, mistakes are always good.

My previous mail was a self-realization only, never any sarcasm, I am onto something else now!

And thanks a lot  again for checking the Agave sp.

Best regards,

Surajit Koley

[J.M. Garg]

Here is the difference between the two as per The confusion of Agave vivipara L. and A. angustifolia Haw., two distinct taxa- 

• January 2003 
• Brittonia 55(1):82-87

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Leaves broad or curved, fleshy. Plants moderately large, suckering, bulbiferous. Leaves green, transiently glaucous; spine acicular, involutely grooved; prickles rather close together. Flowers and seeds medium-sized. Native to the West Indies. (Viviparae) ...... A. vivipara
Leaves narrow, spreading, firm. Plants moderately large, suckering, bulbiferous. Leaves numerous, grayish; spine conical; prickles rather distant. Flowers and seeds large. Introduced (into the West Indies). (Sisalanae) ...... A. angustifolia   

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[surajit koley]

OK, Sir ji, this is A. angustifolia, not A. vivipara.

life is short

time is running out

don't try to know everything

utilize what you already know

[J.M. Garg]

Identified by Surajit ji in another thread as Agave vera-cruz Mill.

Hi, Surajit ji,

May I request you to pl. have a look at our other posts, if you find any similar plant. 

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[surajit koley]

Sir ji, I am not fully satisfied with the id Agave vera-cruz, because the margina prickles should be "spreading or decurved, black or dark coloured", which is not in this case (as I mentioned in the other thread, you referred).

While in A. sisalana, marginal prickles, if present, are "weak, scattered and pale."

In A. angustifolia var. angustifolia, marginal prickles have interesting character!

So, I will only check if there is any better Agave vera-cruz specimen in our database.

Thank you

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surajit koley

[surajit koley]

Sir ji, my earlier determination was wrong. After seeing all Agave uploads in our group, I think this species is also Agave sisalana, perhaps the commonest species next to angustifolia.

With a minor modification lucidcentral is the KEY -

1. stout and conspicuous prickles = americana, vera-cruz and cantula (vivipara)
2. prickles relatively weak, but present and with special character (screenshot Haines_03) = angustifolia
3. prickles absent or if present weak, not dark coloured, straight, intermittent or not = sisalana

Thank you

With regards

surajit koley