SK 2646 02 July 2020

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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 1, 2020, 1:11:58 PM7/1/20
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Dear members,

Location: Dahachok, Kathmandu
Date: 23 June 2020
Elevation: 1600 m.
Habitat: Wild

Is this Glochidion ??

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Saroj Kasaju
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 1, 2020, 1:12:12 PM7/1/20
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 1, 2020, 2:30:56 PM7/1/20
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Looks like Glochidion acuminatum.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:09:50 AM7/2/20
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Elevation and phenology is ok Tapas Da ?

Thank you !
Saroj Kasaju

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:17:09 AM7/2/20
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Saroj ji,
Glochidion triandrum is native to Philippines. I have no idea that this species is occurring in Nepal in natural conditions. Never seen any specimen. Hence I am unable to make any further comment.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:44:40 AM7/2/20
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OK Tapas Da. 
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:50:13 AM7/2/20
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I think the author has jumbled G. acuminatum with G. triandrum which belongs to subgen. Kirgalenia characterized by fleshy fruits. Here the fruits are dry and your plant should be G. acuminatum.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 2, 2020, 7:59:38 AM7/2/20
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OK Tapas Da!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Jul 18, 2020, 4:38:49 AM7/18/20
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Hi, Tapas ji,
These images look different from other images at Glochidion acuminatum



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J.M. Garg

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Jul 18, 2020, 4:39:41 AM7/18/20
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Hi, Tapas ji,
These images look different from other images at Glochidion acuminatum

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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 22:44
Subject: Re: SK 2646 02 July 2020
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 18, 2020, 2:33:11 PM7/18/20
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The only other option is Glochidion nubigenum but I am not sure.
Thanks and Regards,
T. C.

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 18, 2020, 10:50:18 PM7/18/20
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Please also try Glochidion bourdillonii subsp. bhutanicum. If not that then further detailed studies are required.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2020, 7:17:46 AM7/19/20
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Glochidion bourdillonii subsp. bhutanicum is not listed in Nepal !
Glochidion lanceolarium (Roxb.) Voigt  ???   or G. trivandrum ??

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Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 19, 2020, 10:46:54 AM7/19/20
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Not G. lanceolarium. What is G. trivandrum I do not know. I suggest further studies.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:12:16 AM7/19/20
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OK Tapas Da ! My mistake! I mean to say G. triandrum!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:25:54 AM7/19/20
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Saroj ji, 
Apologies. I really do not know G. triandrum.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:40:19 AM7/19/20
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:50:48 AM7/19/20
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Saroj ji,
This species was described from Philippines. Fl. China is also listing this species in India and Nepal. Unfortunately I have not seen any specimen. At least it does not occur in India.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:51:59 AM7/19/20
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Thank you Tapas Da!

Saroj Kasaju


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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 19, 2020, 11:55:10 AM7/19/20
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Only confusion is book from Nepal Govt. mentioning G. acuminatum as syn which does not look like correct!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 20, 2020, 10:14:18 AM7/20/20
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Dear Tapas Da, I have obtained herbarium image from National Herbarium for 
Glochidion assamicum (Müll.Arg.) Hook.f. . Does it look like matching??
And what about the elevation?? EFN says 100m. and Herb. sp. says 790m.
and it was shot at 1600m.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 20, 2020, 10:24:19 AM7/20/20
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Dear Saroj ji,
Glochidion assamicum is now a synonym of G. ellipticum, characterised by shallowly 4-lobed fruits. Meanwhile I have also checked the neotype of G. triandrum from Philippines. Your plant is not that species either. The real identity can be established only through further studies.
Regards,
Tapas.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 20, 2020, 10:26:55 AM7/20/20
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OK Tapas Da ! I hope not a new sp.🤔!

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Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 20, 2020, 10:28:02 AM7/20/20
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Who knows!

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 21, 2020, 2:28:18 AM7/21/20
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Dear Tapas Da,
Forwarding a link for your kind perusal.
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Taxonomy-G.-acuminatum-and-G.-triandrum.pdf

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 21, 2020, 8:45:08 AM7/21/20
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Dear Saroj ji,
Thank you so much for sharing the publication. Now please decide. Is your plant not Glochidion acuminatum?

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 21, 2020, 9:55:07 AM7/21/20
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Dear Tapas Da!

I could not decide since it looks different from earlier identified Re: SK 2289 12 November 2019 !

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Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 21, 2020, 10:13:20 AM7/21/20
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In that case further studies required.

Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 21, 2020, 10:14:05 AM7/21/20
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Thank you Tapas Da!

Saroj Kasaju


J.M. Garg

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Jul 27, 2020, 4:37:29 AM7/27/20
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After pursuing the publication attached by Saroj ji and posts in efloraofindia, I feel it is different from both G.acuminatum and G. triandrum (GBIF).
It also looks different from Glochidion bourdillonii Gamble as per GBIF specimens.
I think it appears close to Glochidion lanceolarium as per GBIF specimens from India as below:
Also see other references as GBIF (High resolution specimens) Plant illustrations  Research Gate  Flora of China  FoC illustration

Hi, Tapas ji,
Pl. have re-look.
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Saroj Kasaju

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Jul 27, 2020, 4:57:32 AM7/27/20
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Looks like matching with descriptions, elevation and fruiting phenology.
We shall wait for validation from Tapas Da!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Jul 27, 2020, 9:35:54 AM7/27/20
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Certainly not G. lanceolarium.

J.M. Garg

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Aug 2, 2020, 12:21:40 PM8/2/20
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Hi, Tapas ji,
Any specific reasons it can not be G. lanceolarium ?
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Aug 2, 2020, 1:21:52 PM8/2/20
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Glochidion lanceolarium is distinct by the 5-8-locular ovary and capsules. The present images show 3-4-locular capsules.

J.M. Garg

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Aug 16, 2020, 6:05:54 AM8/16/20
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Thanks, Tapas ji,
How do we say from this image that it is 3-4-locular capsules and not 5-8-locular capsules ?

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Aug 16, 2020, 6:07:18 AM8/16/20
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Images have their own limitations.

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 26, 2020, 4:22:47 AM9/26/20
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OK Tapas Da !
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju


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Gurcharan Singh

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Feb 28, 2021, 11:05:51 AM2/28/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Glochidion lanceolarium ? 
Group discussion at

Gurcharan Singh

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Feb 28, 2021, 11:07:10 AM2/28/21
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Forwarding for ID
Distributed as  Glochidion lanceolarium ? 
Group discussion at

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Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 17, 2021, 3:48:52 AM9/17/21
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Dear Tapas Da,

I just came across doc. from Takahide Kurosawa which mention some additional sp.
Accordingly, I guess this could be Glochidion daltonii (Mull. Arg.) Kurz !

May I have your opinion please !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Sep 17, 2021, 8:50:23 AM9/17/21
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Dear Saroj ji, 
Your question is not clear to me.
Please elaborate. 
Regards, 
Tapas. 

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 17, 2021, 8:53:42 AM9/17/21
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Dear Tapas Da ,
I mean to say is Glochidion daltonii (Mull. Arg.) Kurz  correct ID 
for this sp. since it is found listed in Nepal according to the document
of Takahide Kurosawa ( Attachment in the earlier mail.)

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Sep 17, 2021, 8:56:17 AM9/17/21
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There is no plant image in this mail. 

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 17, 2021, 9:13:57 AM9/17/21
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Sorry Tapas Da. I thought you would get earlier mails. 

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Sep 17, 2021, 9:31:25 AM9/17/21
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Thank you Saroj ji,
This is not even Glochidion daltonii. This appears to be near G. ellipticum but I am still suggesting further studies.
Thanks and Regards,
Tapas.

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 17, 2021, 9:39:08 AM9/17/21
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OK Tapas Da. I visited this season also but no flowers and no fruit. 
May be next year again. So difficult!
Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Sep 17, 2021, 10:59:57 AM9/17/21
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Hi, Tapas ji,
Pl. consider Glochidion lanceolarium as per GBIF specimens from India as below:
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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:02:30 PM9/17/21
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Okay Garg ji, agreed.
Glochidion lanceolarium (Roxb.) Voigt.

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 17, 2021, 12:06:46 PM9/17/21
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Finally !
Thank you Mr. Garfg / Tapas Da!

Saroj Kasaju

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