ANAPR61 Morinda sp. for identification

[Anurag Sharma]

Family: Rubiaceae
Date: 21st April 2015
Place: Bangalore, Karnataka
Habit: Tree

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

	Morinda species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)

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This is very interesting. I'm not familiar with this tree and eager to know the specific id. Very detailed depiction of the plant parts by Anurag ji.

Best wishes, Viplav

[Ushadi Micromini]

me   too

its flowering without the the tell tale "fruit like" structure like we see in may morindas.. we have recently seen some here

usha di

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: Bimal Sar kar <bima...@gmail.com>
Date: 2 May 2015 at 08:28
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:221945] ANAPR61 Morinda sp. for identification
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

May be Morinda angustifolia.

[M Swamy]

Looks more like M. angustifolia  Check this link : http://biodiversity.bt/species/show/6314

Also check this website where key has been provided for ID of Morinda species  (Bangladesh J. Bot.40 (2): 113-120, 2011 (December)TAXONOMIC REVISION OF THE GENUS MORINDA):

http://www.banglajol.info/index.php/BJB/article/viewFile/9766/7250

[Shobha Halwe-Chavda]

Looks like Morinda citrifolia.

Regards,

Shobha

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:45 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

May be Morinda angustifolia.- from Bimal ji.

Looks more like M. angustifolia  Check this link : http://biodiversity.bt/species/show/6314

Also check this website where key has been provided for ID of Morinda species  (Bangladesh J. Bot.40 (2): 113-120, 2011 (December)TAXONOMIC REVISION OF THE GENUS MORINDA):

http://www.banglajol.info/index.php/BJB/article/viewFile/9766/7250- from Mahadeswara ji

Looks like Morinda citrifolia. Regards, Shobha

efi pages on Morinda citrifolia & Morinda angustifolia Keys are also available at Some species found in India with description & keys from Flora of China

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Date: 25 April 2015 at 19:41
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[Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan]

It is Morinda coreia Buch.-Ham.(= M. tinctoria Roxb.)

[Anurag Sharma]

So many species, I am confused Santhan sir. Please provide a key to effectively rule out the various species sir.

Thank you.

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Anurag N. Sharma

BSc. (CBZ) 2nd Year

St. Josephs College

Bangalore

[Ushadi Micromini]

me too

I'll really appreciate if some one had UNDERSTANDABLE KEY

in somewhat plain (not entirely idiot proof is ok) but the sever botany jargon hides so many faults

just like the medical  jargon,

too ambiguous sometimes and obscure

usha di

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[surajitkoley]

Cool!!!

[surajit koley]

Dear Anurag Ji,

Please note :

• I do not have latest materials to identify any species
• I do not know the species distribution in the given area
• I do not know which new (but BSI listed) species can be found in our country besides the ones listed in FBI
• I do not know which listed species is now divided into separate taxa and which are var. of a known taxon
• I do not find Morinda concanensis (there is mention of it in eFI site) in FBI
• I have read all suggested id along with  in this thread, so far

Please also note :- I am not sure about your leaf photographs. It seems to me those are immature leaves or partly mature. Because, the first pic shows some darker coloured leaves.

Now I gonna give you my view. But, You Will Have to Ascertain How Many Secondary Veins are there in a Mature Leaf. If it is less than 9 pairs it is likely to be Morinda citrifolia L. var. elliptica of Flora of British India. Else it has several (but not all) characters of M. angustifolia Roxb.

Thank you

Regards

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:05 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Anurag Sharma]

Hi sir, I have attached the list of species in Karnataka from Fl. Karnataka Analysis. In addition, JCB reports one more species Morinda pubescens var. pubescens.

And as you mentioned, the leaves I clicked up close might have been young ones. I will go the place I found this and get the mature leaf characters.

[surajit koley]

Anurag Ji,

As per our group site (also the Bangladesh pdf) and http://www.keralaplants.in/keralaplantsdetails.aspx?id=Morinda_pubescens -

Morinda pubescens = M. tinctoria = M. coreia.

As for "var." name what I learned from Gurcharan Sir is that a species will either have no subspecies/var./forma or if one is created by describing a new or by name change it will establish a minimum of two - (i) the newly named one (ii) one automatically created from the original specific epithet.

Please check the attached pdf (I pasted the link in your other thread) for the KEY to coreia, angustifolia and elliptica.

Also attached herewith FI description of angustifolia.

Thank you

Regards

[Anurag Sharma]

Hi sir, I went 2 days back to get the mature leaves. Here are they are attached. They almost always have 8 pairs, only once or twice vary as 9 and 7.

This would fit, as per your description, to Morinda citrifolia L. var. elliptica in FBI and Morinda elliptica in the pdf you provided.

While examining with a lens, I also found hairy domatia in the axils of the lower lateral veins!

[surajit koley]

Anurag Ji,

Roxburgh's M. angustifolia has "bullate" leaf; FoC's leaf has 9-13 pairs nerves..... so I will skip this.

Roxburgh's tinctoria has fragrant flowers. Check this and check flower size to determine if it can be coeria or elliptica.

My guess was based on FBI description of elliptica which has leaves similar to angutifolia.

Thank you

Regards

[surajit koley]

Sorry, fragrance won't help Anurag ji, both coreia & elliptica are fragrant as per Thailand doc.

I would say you should rely more on Santhan Ji regarding the id of this species. My encounter with Morinda was only once.

My points in favour of elliptica are -

• no amount of pubescence can be seen in either in leaves or in flowers
• corolla tube looks shorter, but I can be wrong here do you have stats?
• leaf margin somewhat undulate
• somewhat curved filaments (not a strong point)

Now, you decide what species you have submitted.

Thank you

Regards

surajit

[Anurag N. Sharma]

Thank you very much for your help sir.

I will keep it as a maybe between the two species.

Thanks to this discussion, I will be able to spot some Morinda species that I read up on.

Anurag N. Sharma

BSc. (CBZ) 3rd Year

St. Josephs College

Bangalore

[J.M. Garg]

I think it should be Morinda coreia Buch.-Ham. as per comparative images at Morinda‎

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[Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan]

Yes, you are correct Garg ji

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Dr. Santhan P

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