Corydalis chaerophylla from Tungnath for validation-GS26062020-1

[Gurcharan Singh]

Sharing Corydalis chaerophylla for validation, clicked from below Tungnath peak, at alt, of around 12000 ft, June 1, 2013. Please validate or suggest alternate ID.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

I tried key in BSI Flora of India, Yellow flowers, cauline leaves present, dissected bracts, racemes 10-15 flowered leads me to C. pseudocrithmifolia, description seems to match. Your comments please. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Looks like Corydalis thyrsiflora Prain. No idea if Corydalis chaerophylla thrives at that altitude.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Seems your guess is correct !

Corydalis tibetica Hook.f. & Thomson but difference of 3000 ft. elevation.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Key in Flora of Pakistan also leads me to C. pseudocrithmifolia, differing from C. crithmifolia in dissected bracts and shorter leaf segments.

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[Balkar Singh]

Two pics of mine from same place same date

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[Gurcharan Singh]

C. pseudocrithmifolia is now considered as synonym of C. tibetica, both according to eFlora of China and Catalogue of Life, 

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[J.M. Garg]

Welcome back, Balkar ji

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[J.M. Garg]

This has already been identified as Corydalis govaniana at Corydalis chaerophylla DC. from Tungnath in Uttarkhand..Pl. validate by Dr Magnus Lidén, Expert on this genus.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Garg ji, last time also I had shown my reservations as I have collected C. govaniana extensively during my research days. Interestingly I had forgotten about this upload, and made fresh upload. I tried both keys on eFlora of Pakistan and BSI Flora of India, both led me to C. pseudocrithmifolia which is regarded as synonym of C. tibetica now. We may ignore other things, but can't ignore length of spur which almost 3/4th of flower length, and much longer than lobes. C. govaniana spur is not more than half the length of flower. You may please check in illustrations as well as other images of C. govaniana on our efloraofindia page.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Singh ji

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 16:56
Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:353288] Corydalis chaerophylla from Tungnath for validation-GS26062020-1
To: Magnus Lidén

Hi, Magnus ji,

Is it C. govaniana or C. tibetica or some other species ?

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On 01 Jul 2020, at 13:26, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

C. govaniana

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for ID

Distributed as  Corydalis govaniana 

I see lot of differences from C. govaniana in which flowers are bright yellow, bract narrower, mostly entire, spur smaller. Here C. tibetica (see my discussion above also) has larger pale yellow flowers, longer and broader distinctly cut bracts and longer spurs. I am uploading both for comparison and scrutiny.

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 Corydalis chaerophylla from Tungnath for validation-GS26062020-1 (google.com)   

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for ID

Distributed as  Corydalis govaniana 

I see lot of differences from C. govaniana in which flowers are bright yellow, bract narrower, mostly entire, spur smaller. Here C. tibetica (see my discussion above also) has larger pale yellow flowers, longer and broader distinctly cut bracts and longer spurs. I am uploading both for comparison and scrutiny.

Group discussion at

 Corydalis chaerophylla from Tungnath for validation-GS26062020-1 (google.com)   

[Saroj Kasaju]

Please see first image of the link: Corydalis govaniana Wall.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Gurcharan Singh]

saroj ji I have seen all the images, we can't ignore spur length. moreover bracts of C. govaniana are entire or cut only in uppermost part, in C. tibetica bracts are brader and cut in most portion, and very important pedicels are mostly erect in C. govaniana, strongly deflexed in C. tibetica. It is more important to compare with the original description in FBI rather than just images on websites. Another important difference C. govaniana mostly has many flowers in the inflorescence, C. tibetica mostly less than 12. Compare the two in my most recent upload in the thread.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

And now the most important difference in addition to spur length. If you look at C. pseudocrimthifolia in eFlora of Pakistan the plants and leaves are mentioned as glaucous. Similarly when keying out C. tibetica (of which above is now synonym) the plants including leaves are described as glaucous, whereas they are green in C. govaniana. Another major difference is one pair of cauline leaves in C. govaniana, not so in C. tibetica where there may be 1 or nil cauline leaf. Moreover plants of C. govaniana are erect, prostate to decumbent in C. tibetica. I am sharing images of both for further comparison.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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