Is this Orobanche cernua var. desertorum?

radha veach

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Mar 4, 2020, 2:47:23 AM3/4/20

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Seen on the sides of mustard and wheat fields in Bera, Rajasthan, February 2020.

Not sure if it is Orobanche cernua Loefl. var. desertorum C.Beck., Orobanchaceae. There were no tobacco plantations in the area.

Please confirm

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Radha

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Saroj Kasaju

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Mar 4, 2020, 3:12:54 AM3/4/20

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Nice presentation.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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radha veach

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Mar 4, 2020, 9:35:23 PM3/4/20

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Thank you, Sir

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Radha

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 9, 2020, 2:24:15 AM3/9/20

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Thanks, Radha ji, for the wonderful presentation.

Keys in Flora of Pakistan are as below:

1	Scapes thick, 1.5-2 cm broad; spikes dense, short	Orobanche cernua var. nepalensis
+	Scapes less than 1 cm broad; spikes elongated, somewhat lax below	(2)

2 (1)	Calyx lateral segments 2-fid with equal pair of teeth	Orobanche cernua var. cernua
+	Calyx lateral segments 2 fid to entire, often with unequal pair of teeth	Orobanche cernua var. pseudo-clarkei

I am unable to see the calyx properly. Pl. check.

As per Catalogue of life, Orobanche cernua var. nepalensis DC. is a syn. of Orobanche cernua var. desertorum G.Beck with no distribution in India.

However, Catalogue of life gives distribution of Orobanche cernua var. pseudoclarkei S.M.H.Jafri in India.

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 9, 2020, 4:46:26 AM3/9/20

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Thanks, Radha ji, for the wonderful details.

We may keep it as Orobanche cernua var. pseudoclarkei for the time being.

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 12:57
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:344621] Is this Orobanche cernua var. desertorum?
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Thank you Garg ji.

Attaching a couple of cropped images. To me the calyx teeth seem slightly unequal.

Unable to upload full size images on e flora.

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Radha

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radha veach

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Mar 9, 2020, 8:58:48 AM3/9/20

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Thank you Gargji, this is very useful.

regards

Radha

Mahadeswara

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Mar 9, 2020, 11:54:22 PM3/9/20

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Beautiful upload !

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radha veach

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Mar 10, 2020, 3:23:44 AM3/10/20

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Thank you so much, Mahadeswara!

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radha veach

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Feb 12, 2023, 1:08:34 PM2/12/23

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Hi Garg ji,

I posted this plant on iNaturalist and two people suggested that it is Phelipanche ramosa. Please see what you think.

Here is the link: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=628962&user_id=radhaveach&verifiable=any

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Radha

J.M. Garg

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Feb 13, 2023, 12:29:11 AM2/13/23

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Thanks, Radha ji.

I could not find its distribution in our area and in nearby areas as per POWO and CoL.

I do not know the credentials of Blue_celery.

In view, it is better to go for earlier id till some experts from our area say something else.

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radha veach

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Feb 13, 2023, 1:11:36 AM2/13/23

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Thank you very much, Garg ji

Regards

Radha

Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 13, 2023, 3:55:38 AM2/13/23

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According to the CoL, it is introduced in Nepal. So there could be a possibility for India as well.

This will help :? https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi3lsX8jZL9AhW-RmwGHXRLDscQFnoECEUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cabidigitallibrary.org%2Fdoi%2F10.1079%2Fcabicompendium.37747&usg=AOvVaw1Rh6ZNbtGOyw5b7rFUAz62

Thank you.

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radha veach

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Feb 13, 2023, 10:11:16 AM2/13/23

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Thank you Saroj ji, yes according to the link it is present in India.

Regards

Radha

Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 13, 2023, 10:12:09 AM2/13/23

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Thank you Radha Ji!

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Feb 18, 2023, 1:29:30 AM2/18/23

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Hi, Radha ji,

Should I keep it as Phelipanche ramosa now?

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 18, 2023, 12:03:51 PM2/18/23

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Thanks a lot, Radha ji

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 at 21:17, radha veach <radha...@gmail.com> wrote:

I really don't know Garg ji. It is ambiguous and maybe it can be left as such. With only photos to go on we can't always arrive at definitive answers.

Regards
Radha