Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37

[Ashwini Bhatia]

This Rhodiola (I am assuming) too was growing next to the other possibly R. wallichiana in my other post (here you will see them together in some photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like those of R. heterodonta but only so. I am not sure which species this is. Please help.

Rhodiola sp.

Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

3600m and above

28-29 July 2017

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

A couple of close up to help with the ID.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Superb images. I hope you have checked comparative images at genus page in efi site. 

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Mr Garg. I did check our site before filing and couldn't come to a conclusion.

With best regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji. 

I also checked up. It is new to efi although appears close to 

https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/crassulaceae/sedum/sedum-oreades

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji. 

On 31-Aug-2017 7:04 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Thank you Mr Garg. I think there is some mistake because my sample is very different from S. oreades, which has smaller and more needle-like leaves and single flowers at the end of stalks (like in the link). I filed that plant a while ago too from the same trek (Crassulaceae for ID ABJUL2017/13).

My plant is closer to R. heterodonta for its broad oval leaves, but I am not sure if that is what it is.

Warm regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Superb images. I hope you have checked comparative images at genus page in efi site. - from me

Thank you Mr Garg. I did check our site before filing and couldn't come to a conclusion. With best regards, Ashwini

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

I also checked up. It is new to efi although appears close to  https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/cl/crassulaceae/sedum/sedum-oreades

Thank you Mr Garg. I think there is some mistake because my sample is very different from S. oreades, which has smaller and more needle-like leaves and single flowers at the end of stalks (like in the link). I filed that plant a while ago too from the same trek (Crassulaceae for ID ABJUL2017/13).

My plant is closer to R. heterodonta for its broad oval leaves, but I am not sure if that is what it is. Warm regards, Ashwini

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashwini ji,

What are the species found in Himachal ?

This may help in nailing the id.

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>

Date: 15 September 2017 at 20:14
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:276087] Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr Garg,

I do not have a list of the local or HP flora which I can rely on. I will write to Dr Anil Thakur and Dr Chauhan and see if they can help with this.

I am off tomorrow to check on some plants at Ilaqa and hopefully will come back with better understanding of those. I will write once I am back.

Thank you.

Ashwini

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[Amit Setiya]

बहुत हि सुंदर फोटोज है 👌

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Anil ji,

May I request you to pl. provide the list of Rhodiola species found in Himachal ?

[Anil Thakur]

Respected Garg ji

I'll provided this list either today night or tomorrow.

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Anil ji. 

[Anil Thakur]

Ashwini ji, 

Do you have close ups of flowers with you?💐

[J.M. Garg]

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Date: 30-Aug-2017 6:58 PM
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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Anil ji. I see that Mr Garg has kindly forwarded you the close ups. Thank you Mr Garg.

I hope these close ups, which are not as good as I would have liked but had no choice in the foul weather during the trek, are helpful in getting closer to an ID.

With best regards,

Ashwini

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Rhodiola rosea L. ??  Syn :  Sedum rosea (L.) Scop.

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Anil ji,

May I request you to pl. provide the species listed from Himachal ?

Though somewhat close to Rhodiola rosea as per GBIF, it has no distribution in India as per POWO and CoL.

To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/dd9ef598-4b0e-4acc-868b-5994e1e30349n%40googlegroups.com.

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Garg ji,

Yes, Sir

I am not able to see the images posted by Saroj ji. 

Regards 

[J.M. Garg]

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Subject: [efloraofindia:276087] Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37
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[Saroj Kasaju]

Rhodiola rosea 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

These pictures contain four different species in flowering stage:

Picture 5 & 7: Cremanthodium ellisii in the centre of the photographs.
Picture 8: Corydalis govaniana
Picture 1-3: Rhodiola herterodonta (I think for the one with pale flowers)
Picture 4-6: Rhodiola tibetica ?
Picture 8: Rhodiola wallichiana? (one with linear leaves)

While going through the literature, lots of confklicting statements
are there for the same genus by different authors.

Regards

On 1/15/21, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Rhodiola rosea *L. ?? Syn : *Sedum rosea *(L.) Scop.

>>> *R.
>>> wallichiana* in my other post (here you will see them together in some

>>> photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like

>>> those of *R. heterodonta* but only so. I am not sure which species this
>>> is. Please help.
>>>
>>> *Rhodiola sp.*

>>> Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP
>>> 3600m and above
>>> 28-29 July 2017
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Ashwini
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Anil ji,

Of course there are many plant species in the images but concentration is given on one

sp. I do not agree with your opinion on images  1,3 and 4,6.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

These are nearest  matching IDs based on different Floras of H.P. 

Regards 

[Saroj Kasaju]

But I feel  your suggestions for 1,3 and 4,6 does not match !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Garg Ji
Kindly find the required list of Rhodiola species listed in Himachal Flora.

Regards

On 1/22/21, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Anil ji,
> May I request you to pl. provide the species listed from Himachal ?
>

> Though somewhat close to *Rhodiola rosea *as per GBIF
> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2985688>, it has no

> distribution in India as per POWO

> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:315148-2>
> and CoL
> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/f6e6c60bf994ac853af6176d76b38ac6>
> .

>
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 17:20, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>> *Rhodiola rosea *L. ?? Syn : *Sedum rosea *(L.) Scop.

>>>> *R.
>>>> wallichiana* in my other post (here you will see them together in some

>>>> photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like

>>>> those of *R. heterodonta* but only so. I am not sure which species this
>>>> is. Please help.
>>>>
>>>> *Rhodiola sp.*

>>>> Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP
>>>> 3600m and above
>>>> 28-29 July 2017
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Ashwini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Garg ji, after discussion with Ashwini ji yesterday about plant
height, there is correction in my opinion about first three
photographs. It should be
Rhodiola imbricata.

Regards


On 1/22/21, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Anil ji,
> May I request you to pl. provide the species listed from Himachal ?
>

> Though somewhat close to *Rhodiola rosea *as per GBIF

> <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=2985688>, it has no

> distribution in India as per POWO

> <http://www.plantsoftheworldonline.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:315148-2>
> and CoL
> <http://www.catalogueoflife.org/annual-checklist/2019/details/species/id/f6e6c60bf994ac853af6176d76b38ac6>
> .
>
>

> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 17:20, Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>> *Rhodiola rosea *L. ?? Syn : *Sedum rosea *(L.) Scop.

>>>> *R.
>>>> wallichiana* in my other post (here you will see them together in some

>>>> photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like

>>>> those of *R. heterodonta* but only so. I am not sure which species this
>>>> is. Please help.
>>>>
>>>> *Rhodiola sp.*

>>>> Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP
>>>> 3600m and above
>>>> 28-29 July 2017
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Ashwini
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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[Saroj Kasaju]

I could find 2 links in the net for Rhodiola imbricata Edgew. !  FRLHT. gettyimages  GBIF

and keys from FoH by Stainton.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Complete list of Crassulaceae members from H.P. 

Regards 

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021, 11:14 am J.M. Garg, <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

Some more from Himalayas!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Saroj ji

Is key to identification given in this book ? 

Regards 

[Saroj Kasaju]

There is no keys in the book but only listing!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Anil ji.

Looks different from Rhodiola imbricata Edgew. as per images and details herein and as per GBIF specimens- specimen 1.

I think it is Rhodiola crenulata as per GBIF specimens- specimen 1.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess R. crenulata has got red color flowers!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I think finally, it is Rhodiola rosea L. (syn: Sedum rhodiola DC.) as listed in Flora of British India and BSI link

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Then, it will be a new record fir the Flora. I'll try to visit that area with Ashwani ji.

Regards 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Give me credit too Anil Ji 😁🤔!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Thank you, Saroj ji

Regards 

[Saroj Kasaju]

In the journal if New to India 😁!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Rhodiola species- Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

Group discussion at

Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37 (google.com)

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Rhodiola species- Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

Group discussion at

Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37 (google.com)

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Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 6:05:53 PM UTC+5:30
Subject: Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37
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This Rhodiola (I am assuming) too was growing next to the other possibly R. wallichiana in my other post (here you will see them together in some photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like those of R. heterodonta but only so. I am not sure which species this is. Please help.

Rhodiola sp.

Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

3600m and above

28-29 July 2017

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please in view of G S Rawat ji's remarks "In eFI database, Rhodiloa rosea has been reported from the Western Himalaya. I doubt whether it is found in the Indian Himalayan region. Kindly verify"

Hi, Rawat ji,

I have suggested this id after long discussions on many other species and as per 'Rhodiola rosea L. (syn: Sedum rhodiola DC.) as listed in Flora of British India and BSI link'

Pl. suggest. 

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Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 at 18:05
Subject: [efloraofindia:276087] Another Rhodiola ABAUG2017/37
To: indian...@googlegroups.com <indian...@googlegroups.com>

This Rhodiola (I am assuming) too was growing next to the other possibly R. wallichiana in my other post (here you will see them together in some photos). I am not sure which one this is, The leaves look somewhat like those of R. heterodonta but only so. I am not sure which species this is. Please help.

Rhodiola sp.

Above Lahaish Cave enroute Indrahar Pass, Dharamshala, HP

3600m and above

28-29 July 2017

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Rawat ji,

Awaiting your final views in the matter pl. 

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