Fwd: SK9APR5-2016:ID- Rubus niveus Thunb. or Rubus macilentus Cambess.

[J.M. Garg]

I am a bit skeptical about the ID.  Are the both posts from same ID?

I guess the later post look like Rubus macilentus Cambess. (accepted name).

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200011488

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

efi page on Rubus macilentus- from me

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Date: 2 April 2017 at 21:43
Subject: Re: SK9APR5-2016:ID
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Dear Members,

Rubus niveus Thunb. (accepted name)

Location: Nagarkot, Nepal 

Date : 31 March 2017

Altitude : 6800 ft.

Nepali Names : रातो ऐंसेलु Raato Aenselu / कालो ऐंसेलु Kaalo Aenselu  

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

Does not seem to match with Gurinder ji's images at Rubus macilentus

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Rubus niveus Thunb. (accepted name) Location: Nagarkot, Nepal  Date : 31 March 2017 Altitude : 6800 ft. Nepali Names : रातो ऐंसेलु Raato Aenselu / कालो ऐंसेलु Kaalo Aenselu   Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

I am a bit skeptical about the ID.  Are the both posts from same ID?

I guess the later post look like Rubus macilentus Cambess. (accepted name). http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200011488 Thank you. Saroj Kasaju

Does not seem to match with Gurinder ji's images at Rubus macilentus - from me

efi pages on Rubus niveus & Rubus niveus var. pauciflorus with images.

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Date: 11 April 2017 at 16:15
Subject: Fwd: SK9APR5-2016:ID- Rubus niveus Thunb. or Rubus macilentus Cambess.
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Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

ID pending please !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Bimal ji ,

Requesting your guidance for ID please .

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

[J.M. Garg]

Last image may be of some other species from different plant.

To me appears close to images at Rubus nepalensis except for the colour of the flowers.

The flowers on this particular plant are a hermaphrodite, meaning it has both female and male flowers as per Wikipedia 

Pl. check flower colours, if such details are available in your literature. I am unable to find these.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Yes the last image looks different but it is definitely not the R. nepalensis 

since it is hardy shrub and R. nepalensis is soft stem runner.

I checked with the EFN description and looks like matches with 

R.niveus. Could you please look into this once again?

Rubus niveus

 1200 × 800  

                                                                          Species Rubus niveus Thunb.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Not R.niveus as per:

Here is the key for genus Rubus from Flora Simlensis as per efi thread :
Flowers white
      Leaves simple, lobed....................................................................................R. paniculatus Smith
      Leaves compound
           Lower surface of leaflets green, glabrous................................................R. macilentus Camb.
           Lower surface of leaflets gray- or white-tomentose
                Stem and branches shaggy, with long tawny bristles.........................R. ellipticus Smith
                Stem and branches glabrous, covered with white bloom...................R. biflorus
Flowers Pink, leaves compound
      Leaflets 3, rarely 5; calyx lobes long pointed; druplets pink.........................R. niveus Wall (now correctly known as R. pedunculosus D. Don)
      Leaflets 5-11, calyx lobes acute; drupelets black.........................................R. lasiocarpus Smith (now correctly known as R. niveus Thunb.)

May be Rubus pedunculosus as per Rosaceae Fortnight: Rubus hypagyrus from Chopta Mandal Road in Uttarakhand Pl. validate-GSSEP103/103 or some other species.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Looks correct as suggested.

Rubus pedunculosus D.Don

Rubus niveus Thunb.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

[J.M. Garg]

This may also be Rubus foliolosus var racemosus (synonym for Rubus niveus Thunb.) as per keys in Flora of Chamoli as suggested by Ishwari ji's in another thread: Rubus niveus Thunb. as these images look different from those at Rubus pedunculosus

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