Lauraceae member for ID AT JAN 2017/02

[Anil Thakur]

Kindly identify this Lauraceae member
Medium sized tree
Alongside the seasonal water streams
Dense foliage, Leaves upto 20cm long, lanceolate
Fruits not seen
Solan
March 2015


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With best Regards,

Anil Kumar Thakur

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Neolitsea.  Which are the species recorded in HP?

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Neolitsea pallens (D.Don) Momiay. & H. Hara [ex H. Hara!].

[Anil Thakur]

Thank you, Dr. Chakrabarty Sir

Three species of Neolitsea have been listed by Chowdhery and Wadhwa in
FLORA OF HIMACHAL PRADERSH, which are:

1. Neoltsea chinensis (Lam.) Chun
2. N. lanuginosa (Nees) Gamble
3. N. umbrosa (Nees) Gamble

Dhaliwal and Sharma in FLORA OF KULLU DISTRICT and Kaur and Sharma in
FLORA OF SIRMAUR have not listed any species.

Nair in FLORA OF BASHAHR HIMALAYAS have listed N. lanuginosa (Nees)
Gamble and N. umbrosa (Nees) Gamble.

Singh and Sharma in FLORA OF CHAMBA DISTRICT have listed N. chinensis
(Lam.) Chun and N. pallens (D. Don) Momiy. & H. Hara (synonyms: Litsea
consimilis (Nees) Nees, L. umbrosa var. consimilis (Nees) Hook. f.,
Tetradenia consimilis Nees, T. pallens D. Don, Tetranthera pallens D.
Don).

Thank you, Sir
So, I should consider it as Neolitsea pallens. Chamba is near to J&K,
where it is reported to occur. Solan is near to Uttrakhand, where, I
have clicked it.
People of the area call it KAALU and say that Britishers used to
mature Beer and Wines under the shade of this tree during colonial
rule. It usually grows alongside the seasonal water channels in Solan
area and is not a common plant there.


Regards
ANIL THAKUR

On 1/26/17, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neolitsea. Which are the species recorded in HP?
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Kindly identify this Lauraceae member
>> Medium sized tree
>> Alongside the seasonal water streams
>> Dense foliage, Leaves upto 20cm long, lanceolate
>> Fruits not seen
>> Solan
>> March 2015
>>
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>> Anil Kumar Thakur
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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Thank you Anil ji for the feedback.

While N. languinosa is a synonym of N. cuipala, I do not recognize N. chinensis or N. languinosa var. chinensis, a Chinese element in India. N. umbrosa does not occur in your area and the report must be based on misidentification.

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[Anil Thakur]

Thank you very much, Sir

There is one more Lauraceae member in Solan area, which people call BAJHOL in local dilect. That is slightly different from this. I have seen only leaves and fruit of that plant. If I get time to visit that area again in March- April, I will try to click flowers, so that it can be identified.

Regards

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Welcome.  What was the altitude of the present images?

[Anil Thakur]

Sir, this photograph was clicked at an altitude of approx. 1450m in Solan.

Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Tapas ji and Anil ji

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[J.M. Garg]

Some feedback from another thread;

"I wish to bring to your kind attention that WHY I consider the First  and Second set/link different, which have been identified as Neolitsea
pallens on efi.  I think, the first set posted by me and identified as  N. pallens is some different species of Neolitsea (I do not know the
species). ................

Set/Link 1: (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/GAfiv7OAsnw)
This is a medium sized tree, mostly growing alongside the seasonal  water streams. Canopy is very dense and light cannot penetrate to the
base. People call it KAALU or KAULA in local dialect.  Locals say that  British used to mature wines and the shade of this tree.   Leaves are
comparatively large, usually  more than 15cm, lanceolate,  crowded  towards the tips, dark green and lower surface not white. Umbels
mostly present just below the terminal bud. Terminal bud approx. 2-3 cm long. ..............................  " from Anil ji.

"While I admit that I have no expertise in Lauraceae, I would suggest that you should go ahead with population studies on the abundant trees available in your surroundings and arrive at a conclusion. The comments made by me were based on observations on the low resolution images for which you provided the links. I would like to inform you and other workers interested in the family Lauraceae that the specific distinctions in Neolitsea are largely relative and therefore it may be risky to name a specimen of Neolitsea without comparing with authentically named materials!

Regards,

Tapas."

"Plants in the first set are quite rare while those of second are
common here. My problem is, I do not know how to proceed with
taxonomic work as my specialization was in Physiology.
 Regards
ANIL THAKUR"

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[Tapas Chakrabarty]

I am adhering to my earlier stand that this is Neolitsea pallens. 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot,  Tapas ji

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Neolitsea pallens ?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as  Neolitsea pallens ?

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess this should be Neolitsea lanuginosa (Nees) Gamble Syn  :Neolitsea cuipala (D.Don) Kosterm.

https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/eoOEqDgfwX0/m/PmH3w_FDAQAJ

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Oh! Sorry

I had forgot to update it. 

It is Neolitsea cuipala, which was concluded in 2018 itself. 

Thank you, Saroj ji and Singh Sir for resurfacing. 

Regards 

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

I am not as organised  as Saroj ji. 

Regards 

On Tue 19 Oct, 2021, 6:05 PM Saroj Kasaju, <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

Ha Ha Anil Ji ! Jyada mat chadhao 😉!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju