SK1557 11 Nov 2018

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Chobhar, Nepal

Altitude:  4500 ft.

Date: 21 September 2018

Habit : Wild

Which Fabacea ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Any idea about the genus? 

[D.S Rawat]

A Flemingia sp. (Fabaceae).

DSRawat Pantnagar

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rawat ji.

Hi, Saroj ji,

Pl. check Flemingia semialata

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Lalithamba ji

On Tue 13 Nov, 2018, 12:47 PM Lalithamba Avadhanam, <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:

Inflated pod indicates it as Crotalaria

A.Lalithamba

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 9:44 AM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear all,

Tends to match more with F. macrophylla since  sepals and seed pod cover

are  hairy compared to F. semialata as well as leaves seems to be very rough in this case.

On the other hand F. semialata is not listed in Nepal.

I guess it is not matching with any Crotalaria .

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Pl. also check keys and images at https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/a---l/f/fabaceae/flemingia/flemingia-macrophylla

[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Mr. Garg I already did that and guessed so but could not confirm 100% by myself. May be someone could ID with the help of keys?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju 

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Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I will like to go with Flemingia semialata for the time being.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

You seem to be correct Mr. Garg but I could not find it its listing in the ACFPoN and 

latest book from DPR.  All aspects looks closer to Flemingia macrophylla (Willd.) Kuntze ex Merr.

but this plant is very small compared to it and lot of hairs on buds and leaf also thick  and deep veins.

I am still confused between these two.

Flemingia macrophylla (Willd.) Kuntze ex Merr. - GBIF

Flemingia semialata W.T.Aiton

Flemingia semialata Roxb. ex W.T.Aiton 

Flemingia macrophylla (Willd.) Kuntze ex Merr. 

Flemingia macrophylla - Large-Leaf Flemingia - Flowers of India

FlemingiaFlemingia semialata - Winged-Stalk Flemingia - Flowers of India

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

I further considered your plant.

Checklist of Nepal gives Flemingia semialata Roxb. as a syn. of Flemingia macrophylla as did Catalogue of Life.

However, Flora of Pakistan  GRIN  Tropicos  The Plant List Ver. 1.1  do not think so, as also Floras/ Books of South India.

I finally got online keys in the book at Flora of peninsular India, as per which F. semialata calyx has to be eglandular, which is not the case in your post.

So I take it as F. macrophylla.

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[J.M. Garg]

I think confusion is arising as there are two different Flemingia semialata as per details below from listings in IPNI:

Flemingia semialata Roxb., Pl. Coromandel 3(3): 45 (1820), isonym. Basionym of Maughania semialata (Roxb.) Abeyw., Ceylon J. Sci., Biol. Sci. 2(1): 84 (1959). Isonym of Flemingia semialata Roxb., Hort. Kew., ed. 2 [W.T. Aiton] 4: 349 (1812).

Flemingia semialata Wall., Numer. List [Wallich] n. 5746 G, nom. inval.

Flemingia semialata Roxb., Fl. Ind. (Roxburgh) 3: 340 (1832). Isonym of Flemingia semialata Roxb., Hort. Kew., ed. 2 [W.T. Aiton] 4: 349 (1812).

Flemingia semialata Roxb., Hort. Kew., ed. 2 [W.T. Aiton] 4: 349 (1812). Isonym Flemingia semialata Roxb., Pl. Coromandel 3(3): 45 (1820), isonym. Isonym Flemingia semialata Roxb., Fl. Ind. (Roxburgh) 3: 340 (1832). Replaced synonym of Flemingia paniculata F.Dietr., Nachtr. Vollst. Lex. Gärtn. 3: 390 (1817), nom. illeg.

Flora of Pakistan talks about Flemingia semialata Roxb. ex Aiton, Hort. Kew. ed. 2(4): 349. 1812. Parker, For. Fl. Punj. 3rd, ed. 165. 1956, which is an accepted name.

Checklist of Nepal talks about Flemingia semialata Roxb., Pl. Corom. 3: t. 249 (1815), which is stated to be a syn. of Flemingia macrophylla (Willd.) Merr., ; Philip. J. Sci. 5: 130 (1910).  

[Saroj Kasaju]

Flemingia semialata Roxb. ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Flemingia macrophylla as calyx in glandular.

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[J.M. Garg]

I think it may be Flemingia prostrata, as posted by Ashutosh ji at Flemingia prostrata Roxb.Junior ex Roxb. submission AS2 January 2023 and as per description in Flora of China. 

The Description of Flemingia macrophylla looks a bit different as per Flora of China and as per GBIF specimens. 

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[J.M. Garg]

May be Flemingia macrophylla only as lower elevation as per Checklist of Nepal and acuminate apex as per description in Flora of China. 

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[Ashutosh Sharma]

Garg ji, it should be Flemingia prostrata based on inflorescence which is as long as or shorter than petiole but unfortunately there is no habit image showing its prostrate nature which otherwise makes it easy to confirm species. Flemingia prostrata shows affinities towards Flemingia angustifolia but differs from it in its oblong lanceolate leaflets, inflorescence shorter than the petiole and prostrate habit. 

Thanks and regards

Ashutosh Sharma

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashutosh ji,

To me, inflorescence looks longer than the petiole.

What about lower elevation as per Checklist of Nepal and acuminate apex as per description in Flora of China ?

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[J.M. Garg]

Also POWO and Checklist of Nepal does not show its distribution in Nepal. 

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[J.M. Garg]

ILDIS gives the following distribution:
Bangladesh (N) [3091, 3720]; India (N) [3031, 3035, 3091, 3375, 3382, 3598, 3720]; Bihar [3031]; Himachal Pradesh [3598]; Madhaya Pradesh [3375]; Meghalaya [3720]; Punjab [3382]; Tripura [3720]; Uttar Pradesh [3035]; West Bengal [3091]; Myanmar (N) [2110, 3720]; Ryukyu Is (N) [2825]; Taiwan (N)

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Ashutosh ji,

Have you checked Taxonomic revision of the genus Flemingia (Leguminosae: Papilionoideae) in India 

• November 2020 
• Webbia 75(2):141-218 ?.
• This also does not give distribution in Nepal. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Yes, this may also be Flemingia prostrata.

Kindly confirm or otherwise.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Manoj ji

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Manoj ji !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Ashutoish,

This year I missed the flower, however I got some images of fruiting stages and enclosing the image .

The sp. I have collected is 90cm. and there could be some taller than this height. The plant is erect,

not prostrate.

Compared with the images given in the plates of the article you have sent I feel it is more close to 

Flemingia angustifolia Roxb.. Please have a look and suggest.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 11:10 PM Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

To me still more closer to Flemingia prostrata.

Also no distribution in Nepal for Flemingia angustifolia.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Actually, both the sp. do not have distribution in Nepal and this sp. is  an erect shrub not prostate.

So I am not sure which one is this ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Ashutosh Sharma]

Dear Saroj ji,

I agree with you that your plant seems more close be F. angustifolia, however I am not sure without inflorescence & flowers details (moreover I am not expert in this genus but perhaps Dr. Manoj Lekhak sir may help with this).

As far as distribution is concerned both both the discussed species are known from adjoining areas of India. So, distribution is not a problem infact the syntype of F. angustifolia are from adjoining areas of Uttar Pradesh state so it may be present in Nepal as well. 

Hoping to see inflorescence and flowers images next season!

Best wishes 

Ashutosh Sharma

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Ashutosh.  By the way I had posted inflorescence images earlier in Sep 2018 in this mail https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/fSJvxBFcwnY/m/v9HIxPxWAQAJ.

This time I was a bit late to collect flowers for dissection and needed to wait for the next season.

Anyway, if you can validate with the images of flowers from the enclosed link ?

Saroj Kasaju

[ashutoshsharma11sn]

Dear Saroj ji,

After comparing all the images in my opinion your plant should be F. prostrata, the branched stems of this species can grow up to 0.5–1 m long.

With regards

Ashutosh Sharma

[Saroj Kasaju]

So, branches could be erect for this sp. also ?

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[ashutoshsharma11sn]

Yes, few mature branches may be partially erect but generally the plant habit is prostrate. There are no plant habit and habitat images in the post to see how erect and tall plants were in-situ. 

Image DSC_0064.JPG clearly shows weak stems and not with upright erect stature.

With regards

Ashutosh Sharma