VOF Week: Herb for Id from the Valley 2012

[Nidhan Singh]

Dear All,

This one was shot from the main valley?...which Composite is
this...the plant was nearly half a meter in height....

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Dr. Nidhan Singh
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

[Nidhan Singh]

Requesting again for id...

[Balkar Singh]

May be Myriactis sp??

Requesting again for id...

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Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
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Haryana-132103
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[Tabish]

Too much close up of Aster albescens ?
  - Tabish

[Tabish]

I think this is Erigeron alpinus.
Wonderful catch!
Nidhan ji, do you have a picture of the lower leaves?

  - Tabish

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:01:25 AM UTC+5:30, Nidhan Singh wrote:

[Prashant Awale]

Sharing the photograph of same sp.
Regards
Prashant

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[Balkar Singh]

May be this pic of any help

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[Tabish]

The leaves of Erigeron alpinus are supposed to be oblong to spoon-shaped. I think your plant agrees well with that.
   - Tabish

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[Tabish]

Wow Prashant,
  Look at the similarity of your picture with that taken by Girija:
 http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Alpine%20Fleabane.html
   - Tabish

On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks a lot Tabish Ji for getting to ID....I have this picture of a
leaf...not the basal one though..

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear friends

Erigeron alpinus, although described in some older Indian Floras, as understood now occurs in Europe, Africa and in Asia only in Caucasus.

Most Indian varieties in FBI are now treated differently, even the type variety as per Enumeration of Flowering Plants of Nepal:

• Erigeron alpinus var. alpinus Hook. f. = Erigeron kumaunensis (Vierh.) Wendelbo
• Erigeron alpinus var. multicaulis (Wall. ex DC.) Hook. f. = Erigeron acer var.multicaulis (Wall. ex DC.) C. B. Clarke
• Erigeron alpinus var. uniflorus (L.) Hook. f. = Erigeron uniflorus L.

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[Tabish]

Gurcharan ji,
  Fora of British India mentions Erigeron alpinus, and also many varieties. Frank Smythe, in his book, The Valley of Flowers, also report collecting Erigeron alpinus. However, I am aware of the fact that this will be some variety of Erigeron alpinus, although I have no clue which one. My casual opinion was Erigeron kumaunensis, without any good reason.
Any help on that will be appreciated.
   - Tabish

[Tabish]

I am thinking Erigeron alpinus var. multicaulis - small flower-heads, not solitary...

   - Tabish

On Monday, September 3, 2012 11:26:07 AM UTC+5:30, Gurcharan Singh wrote:

[Gurcharan Singh]

Tabish ji

I have several shots of Erigeron multicaulis from Kashmir, it looks different with several heads. The above plant looks very different with large bracts surrounding and exceeding heads, something unusual.

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
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[Tabish]

Here is a reply from Bernhard Dickore, the German botanist who identified Cotoneaster adpressus for us:
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Dear Tabish,

your plant is Myriactis wallichii (while there remain some problems in this genus as well). Erigeron is a horror in the Himalayas, numerous names for few species only, E. alpinus does not occur in the Himalayas at all.

Best regards,
Bernhard
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    Best wishes

    - Tabish

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:01:25 AM UTC+5:30, Nidhan Singh wrote:

[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks Tabish Ji for efforts and  Bernhard Dickore for identification help...should I take this as Myriactis wallichii, if our experts are convinced?

[Gurcharan Singh]

No question of this plant being Myriactis wallichii. I wonder how can we believe a species which has often been treated as synonym of M. nepalensis (differing just by shorter habit, smaller heads, linear ray florets, elliptic-lanceolate leaves) can be so different. The large foliaceous bracts outside the head are very distinctive as are longer involucre. We should be looking for a different genus.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Large foliaceous bracts are characteristic of Brachyactis genus. I suggest Brachyactis robusta for above plant.

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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[J.M. Garg]

Erigeron acris var. multicaule as per another thread.

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[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks a lot Garg Ji..

Assistant Professor

[Gurcharan Singh]

Not to get confused

The two are quite distinct.

Brachyactis is a very distinct genus from Erigeron with outer involucre bracts being foliaceous. Above plant is Brachyactis pubescens  (DC.) Aitch. & Clarke (syn: B. robusta Benth.)  is now known as  Neobrachyactis pubescens (DC) Brouillet, Fl. China. 20-21: 573. 2011.

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=250097863

Erigeron multicaulis is very distinct without foliaceous bracts. It is now known as Erigeron acer var. multicaulis (Wall. ex DC.) C. B. Clarke,  (Not acris which is a totally different species).

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200023885

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/gcc-93955

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
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[Gurcharan Singh]

ID of this plant is still elusive. Hope to resolve it.

Gurcharan

[Gurcharan Singh]

Here is the Post

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups=#!searchin/indiantreepix/Brachyactis$20nidhan/indiantreepix/Raz3UU7fmwc/ahFtkkXTa1wJ

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Shweta ji. 

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Date: Wed 5 Dec, 2018, 2:28 AM
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please check it may be Duhaldea nervosa

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

Could pl. help in finding the Id of this plant as we are not able to get its Id even after a year's discussion. 

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[J.M. Garg]

Looks somewhat different from images at Duhaldea nervosa (Wall. ex DC.) Anderb.

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[J.M. Garg]

Looks somewhat different from images at Duhaldea nervosa (Wall. ex DC.) Anderb.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Shweta ji. 

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Sir 

You can confirm it by exmining its anthers. If it is Duhaldea its pollen must be with truncate emarginate apical anther appendage

[J.M. Garg]

Can it be Brachyactis anomala (DC.) Kitam. as per High resolution specimen at GBIF ?

Flora of Bhutan gives the following details:

B. anomala ( DC.) Kitamura;
Stems 30 50cm. purple. finely pubescent. Basal leaves ovate; blade 2.5-6 * 2-4cm. obtuse. +/-  truncate at base. crenate. glabrescent; petiole4-10cm. Cauline leaves lanceolate with broad-winged petiole to panduriform. sessile. 3—8 >< 1- 2.5cm. acute or subobtuse. shortly decurrent at base. crenate to coarsely serrate. finely pubescent (mostly glandular} on both laces. lnvolucres c 4mm diameter at base; phyllaries linear-lanceolate. 6 8 >< l l.5min. mostly glandular pubescent. Ray flowers c 35- 40: corolla tubes 3.5mm; ligule white. later turning purplish. 3.5 >< 0.2-0.5mm. simple. deeply divided or irregularly 2-3-toothed. Disc flowers c 7-1-; corolla yellowish. 5-6 mm. Achenes 3 >< 1 mm; pappus brownish. inner series c 4.5mm. outer series usually c 1 mm.   

Bhutan: C ~ Thimphu district (Pumo La): Darjeeling: Phalut. Singalila: Sikkim: Boktak. Ktlpup. Tsomgo etc. Open grassy slopes. 3050-4100m. August-October.

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Dear All,

This one was shot from the main valley?...which Composite is
this...the plant was nearly half a meter in height....

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Dr. Nidhan Singh
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

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[J.M. Garg]

Check out Myriactis wallichii- from Tabish ji in another thread.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Myriactis wallichii Less.??

Myriactis wallichii ??

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

I do not think it matches with herbarium specimens at GBIF

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[J.M. Garg]

Neobrachyactis anomala (DC.) Brouillet as per details and references herein and as per discussions at Asteraceae Fortnight Part I-Radiate Heads: Erigeron for id from VOF- NS 55

[Gurcharan Singh]

Neobrachyactis anomala (DC.) Brouillet seems correct ID

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