DV - 02OCT10 - 1039 :: ¿ Ammannia baccifera ?

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear friends,
Please validate this plant to be Ammannia baccifera, else please ID.

Date/Time : October 2, 2009 at 10.39am IST
Location Place : near Lion's Point, Lonavala ... Altitude : 791 m ... GPS : 18°42'32.71"N, 73°23'20.34"E
Habitat : wild ... Type : high altitude grassland
Plant Habit : small herb ... Height : about 6 - 8 in ... Length : - not climber -
Leaves Type : simple, oppositely arranged, entire margin ... Shape : narrow linear ? ... Size : 5 - 7 mm x 2 - 2.5 mm
Inflorescence Type : do not know ... Size : -
Flowers Size : about 2 mm ... Colour : greenish-white ... Calyx : do not know ... Bracts : do not know
Fruits Type : do not know ... Shape : do not know ... Size : do not know ... Seeds : do not know

Other Info :

Fragrance : did not smell ...  Pollinator : do not know ...  Uses : do not know


Regards.

[tanay bose]

Dear Dinesh Ji,

Plant apparently looks like Ammannia baccifera to me but the plants that I have seen in and around Kolkata in more dense in morphology and mostly grows in and around water bodies. I will also like to get confirmed about the plant. In the mean time please match with the description and diagrammatic illustration of the plant in "Eflora of Pakistan" you will be more potent person to co relate the description and image of the plant as you have seen it with your own eyes.

Diagrammatic illustration- http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=94367&flora_id=2

Description- http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014625

 

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Tanay

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID confirmation

Earlier feedback

Tanay......................................Plant apparently looks like Ammannia baccifera to me but the plants that I have seen in and around Kolkata in more dense in morphology and mostly grows in and around water bodies.

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[Satish Chile]

Gurcharan ji this is nothing other than Ammannia baccifera. I have collected this plant from near Wainganga river bank and also from Hilly area of Balaghat district and found variation in density.

Satish

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[Dinesh Valke]

... apologies, Vijayasankara ji ... the only photos are already attached.
Regards.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:07 PM, R. Vijayasankar <vijay.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

 

somehow i feel uncomfortable with the id. to me it looks more of a Rubiaceae member, probably Hedyotis/Kohautia group. i may be wrong also. can we get some more photos pl.

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:44 AM, tanay bose <tanay...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for the confirmation Satish ji , I was bit hesitating because the plants I have seen around Kolkata is more robust in out growth but you confirmed the it density many very depending on the abiotic factor . thanks again

Thanks to Dinesh ji also

Regards

Tanay

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you very much, Satish ji for validating the ID, many thanks: Gurcharan ji, Tanay, and Vijayasankar ji.
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[Gurcharan Singh]

I tend to agree with Vijayasankar ji

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Resurfacing again for ID

Earlier feedback

Dinesh ji, Satish Chile ji and Tanay................................Ammania baccifera

Vijayasankar ji and me................................................ not Ammania baccifera, may be some member of Rubiaceae.

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise pl.

Earlier relevant feedback:

“Gurcharan ji this is nothing other than Ammannia baccifera. I have collected this plant from near Wainganga river bank and also from Hilly area of Balaghat district and found variation in density.
Satish Chile”

 

“somehow i feel uncomfortable with the id. to me it looks more of a Rubiaceae member, probably Hedyotis/Kohautia group. i may be wrong also. can we get some more photos pl.” from Vijayasankar ji.

 

“I tend to agree with Vijayasankar ji” from Singh ji.

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Garg Ji, Dinesh Ji,

A small plant that I have seen near a water body in Muscat and believe to be Ammannia baccifera looks different.

I can post it if required.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much Garg ji for resurfacing this query. I hope the photos give any hint to those searching !!

Aarti ji, I think you may post your pics of Ammannia baccifera ... I too have a few photos of A. baccifera ... but the above photos show plant in a different stage - I am not sure whether I am looking at fruits OR are they buds.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Dinesh Ji,

I will post my pictures.

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[radha veach]

Just a guess: could they be fruits of some Neanotis sp? . I can see the remains of purplish flowers. 

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Thanks, Radha ji.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Radha.

Axillary cluster, seemingly sessile flowers / fruits - I was not able to find any Neanotis.

A. baccifera too has purplish flowers. Any reason why Ammannia is ruled out ?

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Dinesh

[radha veach]

Dear Dinesh,

well the general appearance of this plant is unlike any Ammannia I know.( density of flowers, colour of stem, size and shape of calyx) The habitat is also not matching.

Will continue to think on this. It is surely a plant we all know.

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Radha

Thanks, Radha ji.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Okay, thanks Radha. I can be wrong. :)

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[Satish N. Pardeshi]

Dear All,

it appears to me some Hedyotis species. the appearance of Ammania is some what succulent leaves.

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Satish Pardeshi

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[radha veach]

Please see this image:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neanotis_foetida_fruit,_%E0%B4%B2%E0%B5%8B%E0%B4%B9%E0%B4%BF%E0%B4%A4%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%8D%E0%B4%AA%E0%B5%82.jpg

to me it looks like Dinesh's plant.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Satish ji !!

Thank you very much Radha. I am fully convinced that my plant must be Neanotis foetida ... syn. of Neanotis subtilis. I will update my notes.

Thanks very much Garg ji.

Regards.

Dinesh