Asteraceae Week (Part II - Discoid heads) :: Cirsium falconeri at Auli :: 31 JUL 12 :: DV14

[Dinesh Valke]

Asteraceae Week (Part II - Discoid heads) aster, daisy, or sunflower family Cirsium falconeri (Hook.f.) Petr.

SIR-see-um -- Greek kirsion (kind of thistle) ... Dave's Botanary fal-KON-er-ee -- named for Hugh Falconer, Scottish doctor, geologist and botanist in India ... Dave's Botanary commonly known as: Falconer's thistle • Nepali: गिद्ध प्वांखे giddh pwankhe Native to: Himalaya (Kashmir to Bhutan), Myanmar, s Tibet References: Flowers of India • Annotated Checklist of the Flowering Plants of Nepal

at Auli on 31 JUL 12

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Dinesh ji

Very good upload.

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[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

I was prompted to check postings of Cirsium falconeri on eFI as I mentioned the species in images of the habitat of Inula royleana I have just posted.

Sorry, I have doubts about whether this is C.falconeri, which I shall be posting images of from Kashmir.  Shall come back to these images and comment further.  Must try to stick to concentrating on Inulas FIRST!   But attention should always be drawn to possible, probable or definite misidentifications, at the earliest opportunity.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot,  Chadwell ji.

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[J.M. Garg]

I think Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. as per images and keys herein.  

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Garg ji.

Another post of mine using one of the photos from this post has been suggested the possibility of Cirsium wallichii DC.

Will wait for validating of either Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. OR Cirsium wallichii DC.

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Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, Dinesh ji. 
There is a mix up in these images.

Only third image is of Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. here.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much Garg ji for the keen eye.Indeed they are of different plants.

So the 3rd photo is of Cirsium verutum (D.Don) Spreng. and first two photos belong to possibly Cirsium wallichii DC.

Do we wait for validations for the above suggestions ?

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Dinesh

[Gurcharan Singh]

I don't think there is mix-up, first two images are focussed head and third showing cluster of heads.

C. wallichii is very with heads mostly smaller than 3.8 cm, and inner involucre bracts have distinct dilated tips  Please see my upload from Kashmir

Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)

All three images according to me are C. verutum

[Dinesh Valke]

I agreed to mix up because the first two pictures and the last one are of different dates, thus different plants. Though while posting I uploaded them together thinking they belong to the same species. Was not aware there are close species.

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[J.M. Garg]

I think all three images are of Cirsium wallichii as per discussions at Confusion between Circium argyracanthum and C. verutum

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Garg ji.

Regards.

Dinesh