... plebeium VS plebejum

Dinesh Valke

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May 8, 2019, 12:23:31 AM5/8/19

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Dear friends,

... plebejum seems to be a proper epithet. It is found in quite a few scientific names.

I assume Polygonum plebeium R.Br. and Polygonum plebejum R.Br. are synonymous ... not sure whether there is any mistake in doing so.

Is one of them in Greek and other in Latin ?

They both mean same ... "common", and are even pronounced the same plebeium / plebejum.

Please throw some light on this close names.

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Dinesh

J.M. Garg

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May 9, 2019, 8:44:29 AM5/9/19

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Thanks, Dinesh ji.
Very good query.

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J.M. Garg

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May 17, 2019, 7:46:06 AM5/17/19

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Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please.

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Pankaj Kumar

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May 17, 2019, 8:13:22 AM5/17/19

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Respected Dinesh sir

Just because a name is found is MANY references, doesnt make it right.

Polygonum plebeium R.Br. is the name and there is no name called Polygonum plebejum R.Br.

Polygonum plebejum R.Br. was a mistake.

I assume its a case of copy paste. Some one made a mistake and others copied it without checking original name.

Now how to check original name when it was published for the first time.

Please check the image of the paper of the book where it was originally published in 1810.

Hope this helps.

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Pankaj Kumar

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May 17, 2019, 8:19:19 AM5/17/19

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There is no word plebejan or plebejum in online Cambridge dictionary.

Ushadi Micromini

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May 17, 2019, 9:26:20 AM5/17/19

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you will perhaps need an old latin dictionary

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Ushadi Micromini

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May 17, 2019, 9:40:52 AM5/17/19

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J.M. Garg

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May 17, 2019, 11:43:22 PM5/17/19

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Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 18:13, Lalithamba Avadhanam <alali...@gmail.com> wrote:

As per David Gledhill's -The names of plants book- plebeius -a -um (plebejum) common, plebeius- from Greek (hence both are same) Now I am adding etymology to all plants -it is in the process.
plebius -a -um veined,
thank you
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Pankaj Kumar

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May 18, 2019, 12:24:57 AM5/18/19

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Can anyone give me an example of usage of both terms in Latin plant names?
One thing for sure, even if they mean same, the spelling must remain as it was in original publication.

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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2019, 7:25:49 AM5/18/19

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Thanks dear Pankaj for your thoughts.

I too think the name Polygonum plebejum R.Br.must have been a mistake.

While putting the query, I had that feeling. But good number of sites showed up this name. I was wondering there could be some story behind this error.

I did not expect epithets to have gained entries in English dictionaries; In fact, I have never found in any search results until now for any genera / epithets.

I found plebejum is a proper epithet used in many other scientific names. Thus had become curious.

Regards.

Dinesh

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2019, 7:27:15 AM5/18/19

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Many thanks Lalithamba ji.

I agree both mean same ... "common".

Regards.

Dinesh

Pankaj Kumar

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May 18, 2019, 7:55:41 AM5/18/19

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Sir can you please give me examples of some names?

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

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Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2019, 8:32:21 AM5/18/19

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Here are some binomials with plebejum ...
Dendrobium plebejum J.J.Sm.1907 SECTION Crumenata ... Orchid Species
Memecylon plebejum Kurz ... Catalogue of Life
Entoloma plebejum (Kalchbr.) Noordel., Persoonia 12 (4): 462 (1985) ... Mycobank
Polypodium plebejum Schltdl. & Cham. ... GBIF

Entry of Polygonum plebejum R.Br.in some sites that people use as reference:
India Biodiversity Portal
GBIF
Flora of Pakistan
National Biodiversity Network

Some White papers
Chemical study of the flowers of Polygonum plebejum.
Antibacterial Activity of Polygonum plebejum and Euphorbia hirta Against Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)

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Dinesh

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

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D.S Rawat

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May 18, 2019, 8:54:10 AM5/18/19

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Original epithet used by the author is "plebeium" which should be retained.

Protologue: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/36315697#page/288/mode/1up

DSRawat Pantnagar

Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2019, 9:12:12 AM5/18/19

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Thank you very much, Rawat ji.

Regards.

Dinesh

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Lalithamba Avadhanam

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May 18, 2019, 10:33:50 AM5/18/19

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Thanks a lot Dinesh ji, it is the one word I am confused, but didn't think further. thank you

regards

A.Lalithamba

Pankaj Kumar

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May 18, 2019, 9:16:09 PM5/18/19

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Respected sir

Please see the problem below: Notes are highlighted in orange.

All are incorrrect names except the fungi. I cant find this name to make sure if its correct or not.

Dendrobium plebejum J.J.Sm.1907 SECTION Crumenata ... Orchid Species

Dendrobium plebeium J.J.Sm., Bull. Dép. Agric. Indes Néerl. 5: 6 (1907). KEW CHECKLIST

Memecylon plebejum Kurz ... Catalogue of Life

Melastomataceae Memecylon plebeium Kurz Prelim. Rep. Forest Pegu App. A. p. lxvii.; App. B. 53, in clavi. 1875 IPNI

Entoloma plebejum (Kalchbr.) Noordel., Persoonia 12 (4): 462 (1985) ... Mycobank

I CANT FIND THIS NAME ANYWHERE.

Polypodium plebejum Schltdl. & Cham. ... GBIF

Polypodiaceae Polypodium plebeium Schltdl. & Cham. (GCI)
Polypodiaceae Polypodium plebeium Schltdl. & Cham. -- Linnaea 5(4): 607. 1830 [Oct 1830] ; HB. 336. Kuhn, Abh. Nat. Ges. Halle 11. 40. Chr. 84. (IF)
Polypodiaceae Polypodium plebeium Schltdl. & Cham. (IF)
Polypodiaceae Polypodium plebeium Schl. & Cham. (IF)

Entry of Polygonum plebejum R.Br.in some sites that people use as reference:
India Biodiversity Portal
GBIF
Flora of Pakistan
National Biodiversity Network

ALL ARE WRONG.

Dinesh Valke

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May 18, 2019, 11:41:48 PM5/18/19

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Thanks very very much dear Pankaj for the time and efforts !!

Thanks Garg ji, Lalithamba ji, Usha di and Rawat ji.

Bit by bit towards स्वच्छ अंतरजाल अभियान !!!

To me, we have concluded this thread ... plebejum is incorrectly used in place of plebeium, practically in all cases of botanical names, and may be so in zoological too.

During this discussion, I found that - though only one of them is used as a valid epithet, both are otherwise valid words, having same meaning (common) and sound same - refer Dave's Botanary ... plebeium / plebejum.