18042011GS1 a composite for ID from Morni

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 18, 2011, 1:05:30 AM4/18/11
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18042011GS1 a composite for ID from Morni

Growing around Tikkar Tal lake, Morni along rocky ground. Herb around 60-90 cm tall, leaves simple up to 12 cm long, upper smaller, clasping, margin sinuate, toothed. Heads about 7-9 mm across, yellowish.
Perhaps some species of Blumea, but not very sure.
Photographed on April 10, 2011

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Gurcharan Singh

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Apr 18, 2011, 2:50:46 AM4/18/11
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I just received a phone call from non-member that this could be Blumea mollis. The heads do have a purplish tinge. Your comments please!


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Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Nidhan Singh

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Apr 18, 2011, 2:56:43 AM4/18/11
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Dear Sir,

As Blumea mollis has been previously collected by me from the area,
there are good reasons for this this to be so.

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Gurcharan Singh

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May 11, 2011, 8:11:42 AM5/11/11
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Resurfacing again in light of my 170411GS1 being identified as B. mollis by Dr.Amit Chauhan.

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SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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Blumea-2-Tikkar tal lake-Morni-1.jpg
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amit chauhan

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May 12, 2011, 12:12:16 AM5/12/11
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On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
Resurfacing again in light of my 170411GS1 being identified as B. mollis by Dr.Amit Chauhan.

Hi,
Sir I think that in Blumea mollis the heads are purple and very closely related species to B. mollis is Blumea lacera in which the heads are yellow which is very clearly indicated in this photograph.
 
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Gurcharan Singh

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May 12, 2011, 12:46:06 AM5/12/11
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Amit ji
 I think B. lacera is a very distinct plant, much different from my both plants




My above plant seems to match with B. mollis




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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
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amit chauhan

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May 12, 2011, 3:13:46 AM5/12/11
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Sir, I am sending couple of pictures which I have confirmed it as Blumea lacera

On 5/12/11, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amit ji
> I think B. lacera is a very distinct plant, much different from my both
> plants
>
> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Kakronda.html
>

> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Kakronda.html>
> http://www.bitterrootrestoration.com/annuals-plants/blumea-lacera.html
>
> <http://www.bitterrootrestoration.com/annuals-plants/blumea-lacera.html>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/ajaylives/Flowers#5549713348045872946


>
> <https://picasaweb.google.com/ajaylives/Flowers#5549713348045872946>My above
> plant seems to match with B. mollis
>
> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Soft%20Blumea.html
>
> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Soft%20Blumea.html>
> http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=42022
>
>
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> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Retired Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089
> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

> <http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=42022>

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Gurcharan Singh

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May 12, 2011, 4:00:37 AM5/12/11
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For me these are B. lacerata


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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

amit chauhan

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May 12, 2011, 4:39:19 AM5/12/11
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But FOI doesn't mention any such species

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Gurcharan Singh

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May 12, 2011, 7:41:18 AM5/12/11
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Sorry Amit ji
I meant Blumea laciniata


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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 9, 2011, 2:10:11 AM6/9/11
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This is another plant in the Blumea confusion. This plant according to FOI and links cited by me below looks like Blumea mollis. Dr. Amit Chauhan thinks this is B. lacera. He has uploaded plant in support of his identification (which I think is B. laciniata). We have four sets of plants and three names to fit in. Please give your opinion and find the fourth name to solve this mystery.


1. First this plant which according to me, Nidhan ji, FOI photograph is B. mollis but Amit ji thinks is B. lacera

                        http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=42022

2. Plant uploaded by me at FOI as B. laciniata (because it has cult leaves), similar plant is uploaded in present thread by Amit ji which he calls B. lacera
                              

3. Plant identified as B. lacera in FOI website and following links
4. The plant uploaded by me in the another thread, which looks to me as much different but Amit ji calls B. mollis




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Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 
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Date: Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM
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Gurcharan Singh

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Jun 9, 2011, 6:28:33 AM6/9/11
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Some more links which suggest that above plant is not B. lacera





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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

amit chauhan

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Jun 9, 2011, 7:49:15 AM6/9/11
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Now we need an experts advice by seeing the links I will go with mine and yours as B. laciniata and certainly not as B. lacera. Experts advice awaited to solve the mystery !
 
regards

Gurcharan Singh

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Aug 29, 2011, 5:28:40 AM8/29/11
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Resurfacing again for ID of four Blumea taxa under consideration



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Blumea-2-Tikkar tal lake-Morni-2.jpg
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Dinesh Valke

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Oct 22, 2011, 12:31:54 PM10/22/11
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POST resurfaced for seeking ID
Four Blumea taxa under consideration


Earlier relevant feedback:


I just received a phone call from non-member that this could be Blumea mollis. The heads do have a purplish tinge. Your comments please!
Dr. Gurcharan Singh




As Blumea mollis has been previously collected by me from the area,
there are good reasons for this this to be so.
Dr. Nidhan Singh




Sir I think that in Blumea mollis the heads are purple and very closely related species to B. mollis is Blumea lacera in which the heads are yellow which is very clearly indicated in this photograph.
Dr. Amit Chauhan




I think B. lacera is a very distinct plant, much different from my both plants
My above plant seems to match with B. mollis
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Soft%20Blumea.html




Sir, I am sending couple of pictures which I have confirmed it as Blumea lacera
Dr. Amit Chauhan
[ Amit ji adds his attachments ]



For me these [ Amit ji's attachments ] are B. lacerata
Dr. Gurcharan Singh




But FOI doesn't mention any such species
Dr. Amit Chauhan
Dr. Gurcharan Singh




This is another plant in the Blumea confusion. This plant according to FOI and links cited by me below looks like Blumea mollis. Dr. Amit Chauhan thinks this is B. lacera. He has uploaded plant in support of his identification (which I think is B. laciniata). We have four sets of plants and three names to fit in. Please give your opinion and find the fourth name to solve this mystery.
  1. First this plant which according to me, Nidhan ji, FOI photograph is B. mollis but Amit ji thinks is B. lacera
    http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Soft%20Blumea.html
    http://www.hkwildlife.net/viewthread.php?tid=42022
  1. Plant uploaded by me at FOI as B. laciniata (because it has cult leaves), similar plant is uploaded in present thread by Amit ji which he calls B. lacera
    http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Cutleaf%20Blumea.html
  1. The plant uploaded by me in the another thread, which looks to me as much different but Amit ji calls B. mollis
    Dr. Gurcharan Singh
    Dr. Gurcharan Singh




    Now we need an experts advice by seeing the links I will go with mine and yours as B. laciniata and certainly not as B. lacera. Experts advice awaited to solve the mystery !
    Dr. Amit Chauhan





    Four Blumea taxa under consideration


    Regards.
    Dinesh
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    Santa paul

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    Jun 14, 2013, 2:20:17 PM6/14/13
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    This is not Blumea mollis

    Santa Paul

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    Jun 14, 2013, 2:30:51 PM6/14/13
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    B. mollis have purplish flower



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    Santa Paul

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    Jun 14, 2013, 2:32:41 PM6/14/13
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    sry not flower purplish white disc florets. externally heads looked like purplish

    JM Garg

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    Jul 24, 2019, 1:45:19 AM7/24/19
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    I think close to Blumea hieraciifolia as per images, details and references herein. 
    Blumea-2-Tikkar tal lake-Morni-1.jpg
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    J.M. Garg

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    Jul 24, 2019, 8:05:15 AM7/24/19
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    I think already identified as Conyza japonica

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    Gurcharan Singh

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    Jul 24, 2019, 10:59:53 AM7/24/19
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    I think C. japonica only

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    J.M. Garg

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    Jul 24, 2019, 11:19:19 PM7/24/19
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    Thanks, Singh ji.
    I agree with you.
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