Fwd: Pedicularis ID

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Karen ji.

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From: Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 15:10
Subject: Pedicularis ID
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Garg,

Attached are two different flowers that I need help with the ID's.

First, is this Pedicularis porrecta? The photo was taken in September on Phulchowki at elevation 2250. The flower color is not right for P. porrecta.

I need help with a flower at 2000m Phulchowki attached.

Thank you

karen

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[J.M. Garg]

To me appears more closer to Pedicularis gracilis as per details and images herein and as per comparative images at Pedicularis

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[J.M. Garg]

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From: Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep, 2020, 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: Pedicularis ID
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr. Garg Sir,

I think the photo attached is Pedicularis gracillis. The previous photo the flowers are on long stalks and paired.

Thank You,

Karen

[J.M. Garg]

Were these taken from the same place ? Same date?

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Pedicularis porrecta is a high altitude plant found above 3600m.

The second one is Pedicularis gracilis Wall. ex Benth. !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

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On Fri, 25 Sep, 2020, 2:01 pm Karen Conniff, <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not at the same elevation, the paired flowers was at 2200m, the P gracilis was at 2760m. Both flowers are growing on Phulchowki.

Thank you

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Karen ji

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On Fri, 25 Sep, 2020, 2:01 pm Karen Conniff, <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Same date

On Sep 25, 2020, at 14:15, Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Not at the same elevation, the paired flowers was at 2200m, the P gracilis was at 2760m. Both flowers are growing on Phulchowki.

Thank you

On Sep 25, 2020, at 14:13, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Karen ji,

Do you have other images showing full plant etc.? If so, pl. post.

Another closer to species as per keys in Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (1942), is Pedicularis brunoniana Wall. ex Pennell (Pedicularis pennelliana Tsoong as per Checklist of Nepal), both of which is a syn. of Pedicularis gracilis subsp. macrocarpa (Prain) Tsoong as per Catalogue of Life.

Pl. see specimens in GBIF from Nepal, listed below:

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvMjQxLzcwNC82MDQ3NzguanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1My82MDUxNzQuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvMjI2LzYyNS82MDQ3MjEuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1NS82MDUxODMuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1NS82MDUxODMuanBn

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[J.M. Garg]

May be close.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Karen ji,

Do you have other images showing full plant etc.? If so, pl. post.

Another closer to species as per keys in Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (1942), is Pedicularis brunoniana Wall. ex Pennell (Pedicularis pennelliana Tsoong as per Checklist of Nepal), both of which is a syn. of Pedicularis gracilis subsp. macrocarpa (Prain) Tsoong as per Catalogue of Life.

Pl. see specimens in GBIF from Nepal, listed below:

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvMjQxLzcwNC82MDQ3NzguanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1My82MDUxNzQuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvMjI2LzYyNS82MDQ3MjEuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1NS82MDUxODMuanBn

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Frepo.rbge.org.uk%2Fimage_server.php%3Fkind%3D1500%26path_base64%3DL2hlcmJhcml1bV9zcGVjaW1lbl9zY2Fucy9FMDAvNjQ0Lzc1NS82MDUxODMuanBn

[J.M. Garg]

Good. This appears to be much branched as for Pedicularis brunoniana Wall. ex Pennell (Pedicularis pennelliana Tsoong as per Checklist of Nepal), as in keys at Scrophulariaceae of the Western Himalayas By Francis . Pennell (1942).

What do you think after looking at herbarium specimens ? 

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From: Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 at 14:39
Subject: Re: Pedicularis ID
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Mr Garg,

I have only three photos. One is of the stem and leaves the other is the paired flowers.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Pedicularis gracilis subsp. stricta Tsoong ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Karen ji

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On Sun, 27 Sep, 2020, 4:16 pm Karen Conniff, <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Yes, I would agree with you after looking at the specimens. Thank you for taking those extra steps to identify this one. 

Regards,

Karen

[J.M. Garg]

Yes.

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On Sun, 27 Sep, 2020, 4:26 pm Karen Conniff, <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sir, one more question, was Pediuclaris changed from Scrophulariacea to Orobanchaceae?

Thank you,

Karen

On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 4:31 PM Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Yes, I would agree with you after looking at the specimens. Thank you for taking those extra steps to identify this one. 

Regards,

Karen

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Saroj ji,

Do you have any keys for these subspecies ?

I could find three specimens in GBIF from Nepal.

Karen ji may further check and confirm.

To me these look different.

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[Karen Conniff]

Dear Garg and Saroj sirs, 

Thank you for your research. I will compare the leaves and flower shapes with these specimens and get back to you. 

Today I found two more Pedicularis plants. One with white flowers was small hardly 5cm tall. The pink and white flowered one was a bit taller. They were growing almost side by side in a wet grassy area on a south-facing slope - elevation 2300m.

Regards,

Karen

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Karen ji,

Pl. post in separate mails with different subjects, to avoid confusion.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Karen ji,

May I request you to pl. post high resolution image of this one to check details with Pedicularis gracilis Wall. Ex Benth. (Scrophulariaceae) Complex in the Himalayas – A Taxonomic Reinvestigation- Tariq Husain Arti Garg- March 2003 Taiwania 48(1)

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 17:06, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess more close to Pedicularis gracilis subsp. stricta Tsoong!

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, Karen ji.

This appears to be Pedicularis gracilis subsp. gracilis var. gracilis as per Pedicularis gracilis Wall. Ex Benth. (Scrophulariaceae) Complex in the Himalayas – A Taxonomic Reinvestigation- Tariq Husain Arti Garg- March 2003 Taiwania 48(1)

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[karen conniff]

Thank you Mr Garg. I have it sorted now.

Regards,

Karen

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On Oct 2, 2020, at 10:15 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:



<Pedicularis gracilis.jpeg>

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Karen ji.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 19:02, Karen Conniff <karoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

I am sending a photo. I hope it is the right one. After looking at the paper on Research Gate it looks similar to P. gracilis var. gracilis - I think.

Let me know if you had a different photo in mind. 

Regards,

Karen 

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Karen ji.

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