Asteraceae for ID : Bangalore : 29SEP20 : AK-26

[Aarti S. Khale]

Seen growing wild.

Sonchus Species?

Aarti

[Paradesi Anjaneyulu]

Close to S. oleraceus,

With Regards.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks Paradesi Ji.

Hope to get it validated.

Regards,

Aarti

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC+5:30, Paradesi Anjaneyulu wrote:

Close to S. oleraceus,

With Regards.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 22:03 Aarti S. Khale <aarti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seen growing wild.

Sonchus Species?

Aarti

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Agree with Paradesi Ji.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Saroj Ji,

Thanks for validating the id.

Regards,

Aarti

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[J.M. Garg]

I think more close to Sonchus asper (L.) Hill as per comparative images and difference between the two at Sonchus.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks Garg Ji.

Hope to get it validated.

Regards,

Aarti

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[J.M. Garg]

Sorry, earlier I gave a wrong id.

I think it should be Sonchus wightianus DC. as per comparative images at Sonchus

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Garg Ji,

This looks more closer to Sonchus oleraceus as suggested by Paradesi Ji and supported by Saroj Ji.

Can we recheck?

Regards,

Aarti

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Aarti ji.

Pl. post high resolution images.

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[J.M. Garg]

I think more close to Sonchus asper (L.) Hill with spiny teeths.

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On Thu, 22 Oct, 2020, 6:33 pm Aarti S. Khale, <aarti...@gmail.com> wrote:

Garg Ji,

Adding the original image.

Regards,

Aarti

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess you are right Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Aarti S. Khale]

Garg Ji,

Thanks for the correction.

Regards,

Aarti

[ushadi]

I think all this confusion is because the leaves are not in focus, i cant discern the leaf margin with any great confidence.

i am sure Mr Garg had the same concern. Cant see the original image that was posted on 22nd October 2020. where is it?

still the basal auricle shape is visible in first picture:

it is rounded

and i can extrapolate from the fuzzy margins that they are most likely prickly.

see the pictures in this illustration from a paper titled:

" Sow Thistle Chloroplast Genomes: Insights into the Plastome Evolution and Relationship of Two Weedy Species, Sonchus asper and Sonchus oleraceus (Asteraceae)

the picture link is not working on google today

you have to copy and paste the following in google or search engine:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Pictures-of-Sonchus-asper-prickly-sow-thistle-and-Sonchus-oleraceus-common-sow_fig1_336977477

Bottom line:

1: Must have pictures in focus

2: try to touch the leaves, see if  they are rough or smooth and it the edges are prickly.

     this plant used to be used as salad or pot herb by early settlers to north america, they brought the seeds over from europe.

     so its safe to touch.it still is eaten on the trails.

3:  i think its Sonchus asper.

Regards

Ushadi

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