Leptodermis kumaonensis

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pictures of  Leptodermis kumaonensis shot at Kakani Nepal on 28 July 2016 at 6000ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Saroj ji,

I think it's not Leptodermis kumaonensis as per images in FOI. It's Leptodermis lanceolata as per threads herein & as per FOI images.

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I think Saroj Kasaju is right. L. lanceolata branches much and flowers appear at the end of long purple stalks. I have always found our plants growing on the slopes hanging down and never on the ground growing tall. Flowers are the same otherwise. Here are a couple of photos of L. lanceolata from here.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

But pl. see Leptodermis kumaonensis in FOI

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I agree Mr Garg that the flowers look different (no pink underneath) but the description in FOI says that flowers 'appear in axial stalkless clusters’ as in Saroj ji’s photos. Lanceolata flowers are at the end of long dangling stalks usually at the end of branches. But I may be making a mistake too. I would let experts decide.

Thanks and regards,

Ashwini

On 5 Aug 2016, at 14:51, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Ashwini ji.

But pl. see Leptodermis kumaonensis in FOI

On 5 August 2016 at 14:41, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I think Saroj Kasaju is right. L. lanceolata branches much and flowers appear at the end of long purple stalks. I have always found our plants growing on the slopes hanging down and never on the ground growing tall. Flowers are the same otherwise. Here are a couple of photos of L. lanceolata from here.

Thanks.

Ashwini

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On 5 Aug 2016, at 10:32, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, Saroj ji,

I think it's not Leptodermis kumaonensis as per images in FOI. It's Leptodermis lanceolata as per threads herein & as per FOI images.

On 4 August 2016 at 19:45, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Garg,

Sharing some pictures of  Leptodermis kumaonensis shot at Kakani Nepal on 28 July 2016 at 6000ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

If we go by the keys at link (it may be Leptodermis kumaonensis as corolla is clearly pubescent outside)

Thingam ji & Tabish ji may also have a re-look of the id of their plant at FOI. Plant at FOI should be Leptodermis stapfiana as per link

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Varun ji.

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From: Varun Sharma
Date: 5 August 2016 at 15:49
Subject: Re: Fwd: Leptodermis kumaonensis
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Sir,

This should be Leptodermis kumaonensis R.Parker; because corolla is pubescent outside (clearly visible in attached images) which is glabrous in L. lanceolata.

Kind regards,

Varun


From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Varun ji.

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From: Varun Sharma
Date: 5 August 2016 at 16:45
Subject: Re: Fwd: Leptodermis kumaonensis
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>


Dear Sir,

Definitely this is Leptodermis stapfiana H.J.P.Winkl. if we go with Flora of Bhutan. Because in L. kumaonensis flower heads are always overtopped by new growths, whereas in L. stapfiana there is no new growth appears over flower heads.

Ref: Flora of Bhutan (1999), Vol 2 Part 2. Pages 813-817.

Kind regards,

Varun


From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Sent: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:22:20
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Subject: Fwd: Leptodermis kumaonensis

If we go by the keys at link (it may be Leptodermis kumaonensis as corolla is clearly pubescent outside)

Thingam ji & Tabish ji may also have a re-look of the id of their plant at FOI. Plant at FOI should be Leptodermis stapfiana as per link

[Saroj Kasaju]

Request experts to decide but it does not look like L. stapfiana.

Thank you.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Saroj ji.

Varun ji was pointing the plant at FOI to be L. stapfiana & not your plant, which is Leptodermis kumaonensis.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr.Garg,

Thank you.

Saroj

[Tabish]

Thanks Garg ji and Varun ji, for bringing to notice the species Leptodermis stapfiana.

However, on detailed observation of our images, it still agrees better with Leptodermis kumanensis. I am attaching our images from Manipur, and also the picture of Leptodermis kumanonsis from Polunin & Stainton, which we used for identification.

Points to note:

1.  L. kumanonensis: Flowers are 3-5 fascicled on ends of lateral short branches (FOC)

    This agrees very well with our images.

     L. stapfiana: Flowers are borne in more dense clusters:
     Inflorescence on current growth; compact clusters of up to 20 flowers at shoot
     apex  at upper nodes and at apex of any lateral shoots.. (FBP)

2.  Our flower color is not purplish at all.

   Best wishes

   Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji, for deeper analysis.

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Rawat ji,

May I request you to pl. confirm this as Leptodermis riparia as per your publication:

Rediscovery, distribution and conservation status of Leptodermis riparia R.Parker (Rubiaceae) in Western Himalaya, India

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 at 19:45
Subject: Leptodermis kumaonensis
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

This is Leptodermis stapfiana H.J.P.Winkl. as per keys from Flora of Bhutan at Leptodermis.

Detailed description from Flora of Bhutan is given below:‎

L. stapfiana Winkler; L. scabrida auct. non Hook.f., L. griffithii auct. non Hook.f. Fig. 75d.
Shrub 0.2-2.4m tall, often stunted and variable in habit; shoots with hairs in two rows or more scattered. Leaves oblong-lanceolate or elliptic, to 50 x 20mm though sometimes not exceeding 15 x 6mm, acute, attenuate at base, +/- pubescent above and beneath; main veins 3-5 pairs; petioles to Smm, pubescent. Stipules to 4mm, cuspidate, ciliate, pubescent, apex often spreading, spinulose. Inflorescence on current growth; compact clusters of up to 20 flowers at shoot apex, at upper nodes and at apex of any lateral shoots, rarely whole upper shoot a single dense inflorescence or all cymules well-separated; uppermost bract
pair often shorter than its flowers, though usually still 1 leaf-like. Bracteole pairs usually exceeding calyx at anthesis, c 4.5mm, divided c 1/3; lobes of central pair often more attenuate. Calyx tube 0—0.5mm, lobes ovate-oblong, sometimes irregular, 0.8-1.3(-1.8)mm, ciliate-denticulate. Corolla infundibular, white to deep maroon or violet, sometimes darkening with age or bicoloured, pubescent outside; tube 9.0-11.2mm; lobes 1.2-3mm. Stigmas (3-)4-5.

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[J.M. Garg]

These images are also of Leptodermis stapfiana H.J.P.Winkl. as per keys from Flora of Bhutan at Leptodermis

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J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg ,

According to keys in the efi  and the leaf shape and size it should be L. kumaonensis !

As per keys at link: Leptodermis kumaonensis has corolla pubescent outside and Leptodermis lanceolata has corolla glabrous outside;

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kumar Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 8:00:58 PM UTC+5:45
Subject: Leptodermis kumaonensis

[J.M. Garg]

OK.

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J.M.Garg

[J.M. Garg]

On further consideration, I agree for Leptodermis kumaonensis
Different keys in different sources make life difficult.  

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J.M.Garg

[Saroj Kasaju]

That is ture Mr. Garg .

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

We take both your posts and images by Tabish ji as Leptodermis stapfiana only as per discussions at Leptodermis kumaonensis in FOI

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

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