Cucurbitaceae Week :: Zehneria scabra at Kas and Mahabaleshwar

[Dinesh Valke]

Zehneria scabra Sond.

• zy-NER-ee-uh -- named in memory of Joseph Zehner, botanical artist of Vienna
  SKAY-bruh or SKAB-ruh -- rough
  ... Dave's Botanary
  

Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra

commonly known as: Cape zehneria, South African zehneria, wild cucumber • Hindi: मुसमुसा musmusa • Marathi: चिरटी chirati • Manipuri: লম থবী lam thabi • Tamil: naai pagal • Telugu: కూతురుబుడమ kuturu-budama • Urdu: مسمسا musmusa

Distribution: tropical and south Africa, west Asia, Indian peninsula, Malesia

References: Flowers of India • M.M.P.N.D. • Further Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar


more views:

• Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra
  
• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Kate's Point, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra
  
• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Arthur's Seat, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra
  

Regards.
Dinesh

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks for pointing to the error, Prashant.
The correct link is: http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Cape%20Zehneria.html
Regards.
Dinesh

On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Prashant Awale <pka...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Dinesh,

FOI link is not correct. Pl. check.
Regards
Prashant

[Nidhan Singh]

Beautiful Pics Dinesh Ji,

These are from a place which I think every nature lover must visit, I am still to go, hope my dream comes true this year...
--
Regards,

Dr. Nidhan Singh
Department of Botany
I.B. (PG) College
Panipat-132103 Haryana
Ph.: 09416371227

[J.M. Garg]

Feedback from another thread:

"I have been somewhat confused about the status of Zehneria scabra, uploaded by several members including Dinesh ji, Prashant ji, and other members from Kas

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Zehneria/indiantreepix/cCGIzB2cd9A/lEwSmgknYegJ

These confusions are often confounded by the absence of author citations. Strange as it may look Zehneria scabra (L.f.) Sond (Swedeish name flikig pilreva), and Melothria scabra Naudin (Swedish name djungelgurka), are two distinct species, often confused on net, as Melothria is an important species with good looking mini watermelon like fruits, and none look similar to our Kas plants.

and as such names Cape zehneria, South African Zehneria won't apply to our Kas plant.

My doubts are supported by recent nomenclature update by Renner and Pandey in 2013

They do not list Zehneria scabra for India, and Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. is cited as synonym of Zehneria perpusilla (Bl.) Bole and Almeida.......but as per citation this species does not grown in India.

The other name often cited as synonym of Melothria perpusilla is correctly Zehneria hookeriana (Wight & Arn) Arn, is endemic to Tamil Nadu

This leaves third name Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. found in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Maharashtra.

Could it be our plant from Kas???

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh"

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[J.M. Garg]

The Following may be of help:

Flora of Eastern Ghats: Hill Ranges of South East India, Volume 3  By Thamminen Pullaiah, K. Sri Ramamurthy (description & Keys- maysorensis & scabra- 2007) (Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn.- Syn: Bryonia mysorensis Wight & Arn.; Melothria perpusilla var. subtruncata Cogn.; Melothria perpusilla  auct. non. (Bl.) Cogn,)

 

efi page on Zehneria maysorensis (species identified by Vijayasankar ji)

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks Garg ji for updating this thread with the ongoing discussion of Zehneria - Melothria.

Hoping to get clarity from those who are studying Cucurbitaceae of Maharashtra - especially Western Ghats.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding imbedded images one by one only due to size restriction.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susanne Renner <ren...@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: 4 July 2013 16:19
Subject: Images of types of Melothria perpusilla var. subtruncata & Zehneria maysorensis attached
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com>, Shrikant Ingalhalikar <shrikant.i...@gmail.com>, Rajdeo Singh <rajde...@gmail.com>, satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com>, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com>, Ajay Nalawade <anala...@gmail.com>, Sweedle Cerejo <swee...@gmail.com>, Nudrat Sayed <nudra...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>, Vinod Devarkar <devar...@gmail.com>, Sheetal Chaudhari <sheeta...@gmail.com>, Pravin Kawale <kawale...@gmail.com>, Sachin Sata <sachi...@gmail.com>, rlgh...@gmail.com, Adittya Dharap <aditty...@yahoo.com>, radha veach <radha...@gmail.com>, Ramchandra Gore <ramd...@gmail.com>, Smita Raskar <smita....@gmail.com>, rahul kamble <planet....@gmail.com>, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>, Ajmal Ali <ajma...@gmail.com>, arunk...@botany.du.ac.in, ren...@lmu.de, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>, Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>

Please take a look at the types. The most recent treatment (de Wilde and Duyfjes, 2006, cited in full below) does not consider M. perpusilla var. subtruncata a synnym of Z. maysorensis, but I am unsure why.

The syntypes of Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. var. subtruncata Cogn. are:

India, Wight 1151 (CAL image attached; K, LE, W), 

Sri Lanka, Thwaites 1613 (BR, CAL image attached, G, K, LE, P).

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s:

South India, Wight 1116 (K, P image in the Sonnerat database), designated by de Wilde and Duyfjes (2006).

Kew has two images of Z. maysorensis: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000313364

De Wilde WJJO, Duyfjes BEE (2006) Redefinition of Zehneria and four new related genera
(Cucurbitaceae), with an enumeration of the Australasian and Pacific species. Blumea 51:
1–88. doi: 10.3767/000651906X622346

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Susanne Renner

Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra



commonly known as: Cape zehneria, South African zehneria, wild cucumber • Hindi: मुसमुसा musmusa • Marathi: चिरटी chirati • Manipuri: লম থবী lam thabi • Tamil: naai pagal • Telugu: కూతురుబుడమ kuturu-budama • Urdu: مسمسا musmusa 

Distribution: tropical and south Africa, west Asia, Indian peninsula, Malesia 

References: Flowers of India • M.M.P.N.D. • Further Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar 


more views:

• Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Kate's Point, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Arthur's Seat, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding imbedded images one by one only due to size restriction.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susanne Renner <ren...@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>
Date: 4 July 2013 16:19
Subject: Images of types of Melothria perpusilla var. subtruncata & Zehneria maysorensis attached
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>, Prashant awale <pka...@gmail.com>, Shrikant Ingalhalikar <shrikant.i...@gmail.com>, Rajdeo Singh <rajde...@gmail.com>, satish pardeshi <satishp...@gmail.com>, Satish Phadke <drsmp...@gmail.com>, Ajay Nalawade <anala...@gmail.com>, Sweedle Cerejo <swee...@gmail.com>, Nudrat Sayed <nudra...@gmail.com>, Tapas Chakrabarty <tcha...@gmail.com>, Neil Soares <drneil...@yahoo.com>, Vinod Devarkar <devar...@gmail.com>, Sheetal Chaudhari <sheeta...@gmail.com>, Pravin Kawale <kawale...@gmail.com>, Sachin Sata <sachi...@gmail.com>, rlgh...@gmail.com, Adittya Dharap <aditty...@yahoo.com>, radha veach <radha...@gmail.com>, Ramchandra Gore <ramd...@gmail.com>, Smita Raskar <smita....@gmail.com>, rahul kamble <planet....@gmail.com>, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>, Ajmal Ali <ajma...@gmail.com>, arunk...@botany.du.ac.in, ren...@lmu.de, Vijayasankar Raman <vijay.b...@gmail.com>, Muthu Karthick <nmk...@gmail.com>

Please take a look at the types. The most recent treatment (de Wilde and Duyfjes, 2006, cited in full below) does not consider M. perpusilla var. subtruncata a synnym of Z. maysorensis, but I am unsure why.

The syntypes of Melothria perpusilla (Blume) Cogn. var. subtruncata Cogn. are:

India, Wight 1151 (CAL image attached; K, LE, W), 

Sri Lanka, Thwaites 1613 (BR, CAL image attached, G, K, LE, P).

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The lectotype of Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. is:

South India, Wight 1116 (K, P image in the Sonnerat database), designated by de Wilde and Duyfjes (2006).

Kew has two images of Z. maysorensis: http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/getImage.do?imageBarcode=K000313364

De Wilde WJJO, Duyfjes BEE (2006) Redefinition of Zehneria and four new related genera
(Cucurbitaceae), with an enumeration of the Australasian and Pacific species. Blumea 51:
1–88. doi: 10.3767/000651906X622346

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Susanne Renner

On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:18 PM, J.M. Garg wrote:

Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra



commonly known as: Cape zehneria, South African zehneria, wild cucumber • Hindi: मुसमुसा musmusa • Marathi: चिरटी chirati • Manipuri: লম থবী lam thabi • Tamil: naai pagal • Telugu: కూతురుబుడమ kuturu-budama • Urdu: مسمسا musmusa 

Distribution: tropical and south Africa, west Asia, Indian peninsula, Malesia 

References: Flowers of India • M.M.P.N.D. • Further Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar 


more views:

• Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Kate's Point, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Arthur's Seat, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Dr. Renner,

Should we finally take this attached plant from Kas as Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. as I am not able to clearly understand the intricacies ?

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From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh.valke@gmail.com>
Date: 3 April 2012 22:23
Subject: [efloraofindia:112652] Cucurbitaceae Week :: Zehneria scabra at Kas and Mahabaleshwar

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[Susanne Renner]

Dear Colleagues,

I am afraid I have to refer you to my message of July 4 to which I had provided the links to images of the types of Zehneria maysorensis in Paris and Kew.
You will need to look at this images and decide whether your plant represents Zehneria maysorensis.

The images are very high quality and easily found. Just go to http://coldb.mnhn.fr/colweb/form.do?model=SONNERAT.wwwsonnerat.wwwsonnerat.wwwsonnerat
and type in Zehneria maysorensis plus the code for the geographic region: ASI.

Best regards,

Susanne Renner

On Jul 11, 2013, at 9:08 AM, J.M. Garg wrote:

Thanks, Dr. Renner,
Should we finally take this attached plant from Kas as Zehneria maysorensis (Wight & Arn.) Arn. as I am not able to clearly understand the intricacies ?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
Date: 3 April 2012 22:23
Subject: [efloraofindia:112652] Cucurbitaceae Week :: Zehneria scabra at Kas and Mahabaleshwar
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>


Zehneria scabra Sond.


• zy-NER-ee-uh -- named in memory of Joseph Zehner, botanical artist of Vienna
SKAY-bruh or SKAB-ruh -- rough
... Dave's Botanary

Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra



commonly known as: Cape zehneria, South African zehneria, wild cucumber • Hindi: मुसमुसा musmusa • Marathi: चिरटी chirati • Manipuri: লম থবী lam thabi • Tamil: naai pagal • Telugu: కూతురుబుడమ kuturu-budama • Urdu: مسمسا musmusa

Distribution: tropical and south Africa, west Asia, Indian peninsula, Malesia

References: Flowers of India • M.M.P.N.D. • Further Flowers of Sahyadri by Shrikant Ingalhalikar


more views:
• Sep 28, 2008 ... on Kas plateau, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Kate's Point, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

• Aug 26, 2010 ... at Arthur's Seat, Mahabaleshwar, Maharashtra

[J.M. Garg]

As per another thread:

"This could be Zehneria bodinieri (Lévl.) W.J. de Wilde & Duyfjes

Key features: Male inflorescences a peduncled raceme; male raceme short, flowering part up to 1 cm long; pedicel of female flower 3–10 mm long. Fruit ca. 1 cm diam.

Reference:
De Wilde WJJO, Duyfjes BEE (2004b) Zehneria (Cucurbitaceae) in Thailand, with a note on the Indian Zehneria maysorensis. Thai Forest Bulletin, Botany 32: 15–31.

Regards

Vijayasankar"

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Date: 3 April 2012 22:23
Subject: [efloraofindia:112652] Cucurbitaceae Week :: Zehneria scabra at Kas and Mahabaleshwar
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very very much Garg ji for stitching this thread with the updates.

Thanks Gurcharan ji, Vijayasankar ji and Dr Renner for your thoughts.

Hopefully we get the ID of these Western Ghats' Zehneria sorted out.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

I had a relook at all the posts in efi site on Zehneria‎ and added keys herein.

All images should be of Zehneria bodinieri (H. Léveillé) W. J. de Wilde & Duyfjes based on keys at Zehneria‎ 

Initially ovary looks a bit ellipsoidal, but finally fruits are globose. Pl. see the last image by enlarging at Cucurbitaceae Week :: Zehneria scabra at Kas and Mahabaleshwar 

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