SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location:  Godawari, Lalitpur, Nepal

Date: 14 September 2013

Elevation : 1475 m.

Habit : Wild 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

[Ashutosh Sharma]

It's Coltricia sp.

Family - Hymenochaetaceae

Best regards 

Ashutosh Sharma 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashutosh ji, for the genus id.

To me appears close to images at Coltricia cinnamomea (Jacq.) Murrill

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

[Ushadi Micromini]

Gargji 

How can we sure of the species level ID 

was a spore print done?

were spores examined microscopically?

i am sending you a link , that shows id at species level 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dr_Ab_Hamid_wani/publication/286492289_Three_hitherto_unreported_macro-fungi_from_Kashmir_Himalaya/links/5677db0908ae125516ee4375.pdf  

In their Materials and Methods section they describe and give references to the method

I quote:  Standard method of collection, preservation, macro and microscopic studies were followed (Kumar et al., 1990; Atri et al., 2003) and the shape, size and colour of fresh specimen were recorded before preservation. The spore prints were taken according to the guidelines given by Michel Kuo (2001), then the spore morphology such as shape and size were recorded and photographed with the aid trinocular microscope in University Scientific Instrumentation Centre. end quote

IT is spelled out in black and white and in simple english, there is no scientific mumbo jumbo....

I would be happy if we decide as a group of citizen scientists to keep diagnosis of Mushrooms at Genus level

and if we want to be brave we could say THIS species id is suggested by the gross morphology only.

usha di

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[Ushadi Micromini]

unless

someone like Tnay agrees to its ID

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[Isabelle & Alok]

True Ushadi... this has been a sore point and just to strengthen the point (although I think enough has been said)... here's a quote by Michael Quo

"I suppose now is not the best time to tell you that this identification process is going to fail a lot—even, perhaps, most of the time. There are several reasons for this, but suffice it to say that mushroom identification is difficult, often technical, and sometimes impossible. This is a hard nugget to swallow for those who have used field guides to identify trees or birds, for example, and expect the mushroom world to be equally easy to penetrate. One doesn't need a microscope to identify a North American tree, and plenty of field guides can be found that include more or less all the tree species native to the continent. With mushrooms, one does need a microscope, much of the time—and no one even knows how many thousands of mushroom species there are." reference : http://mushroomexpert.com/studying.html#identifying

[Ushadi Micromini]

Thanks Alok

we dont want to be laughing stock of the Mycology world

just because some photographers keep asking for species level id for their mom and pop photos.

because our // Gargji's database going to out last us and go far and wide

enough said

usha di

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[J.M. Garg]

Pl. see difference between two species (from the same author) as below:

http://australianfungi.blogspot.com/2011/05/53-microporus-xanthopus.html

http://australianfungi.blogspot.com/2010/09/49-coltricia-cinnamomea.html

Based on the above, posted images may be of Microporus xanthopus. However, underside need to be seen.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

[Saroj Kasaju]

Microporus xanthopus (Fr.) Kuntze.

Listed in Mahesh Adhikari Book.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Saroj Kasaju]

Re-surfacing for ID !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:16 PM
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Dear Members,

Location:  Godawari, Lalitpur, Nepal

Date: 14 September 2013

Elevation : 1475 m.

Habit : Wild 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:46 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

--

With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 2975 members & 3,00,000 messages on 25.7.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 12,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which 1,00,000 are directly displayed).

The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image.

Also author of 'A Photoguide to the Birds of Kolkata & Common Birds of India'.

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:46 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
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From: Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 3:50 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: indiantreepix <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Saroj <kasaj...@gmail.com>

It's Coltricia sp.

Family - Hymenochaetaceae

Best regards 

Ashutosh Sharma 

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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:04 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Thanks, Ashutosh ji, for the genus id.

To me appears close to images at Coltricia cinnamomea (Jacq.) Murrill

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
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From: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Alok <alokis...@gmail.com>
Cc: Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Gargji 

How can we sure of the species level ID 

was a spore print done?

were spores examined microscopically?

i am sending you a link , that shows id at species level 

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dr_Ab_Hamid_wani/publication/286492289_Three_hitherto_unreported_macro-fungi_from_Kashmir_Himalaya/links/5677db0908ae125516ee4375.pdf  

In their Materials and Methods section they describe and give references to the method

I quote:  Standard method of collection, preservation, macro and microscopic studies were followed (Kumar et al., 1990; Atri et al., 2003) and the shape, size and colour of fresh specimen were recorded before preservation. The spore prints were taken according to the guidelines given by Michel Kuo (2001), then the spore morphology such as shape and size were recorded and photographed with the aid trinocular microscope in University Scientific Instrumentation Centre. end quote

IT is spelled out in black and white and in simple english, there is no scientific mumbo jumbo....

I would be happy if we decide as a group of citizen scientists to keep diagnosis of Mushrooms at Genus level

and if we want to be brave we could say THIS species id is suggested by the gross morphology only.

usha di

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From: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:22 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Alok <alokis...@gmail.com>
Cc: Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

unless

someone like Tnay agrees to its ID

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Usha di
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From: Isabelle & Alok <alokis...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:15 PM
To: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>, efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

True Ushadi... this has been a sore point and just to strengthen the point (although I think enough has been said)... here's a quote by Michael Quo

"I suppose now is not the best time to tell you that this identification process is going to fail a lot—even, perhaps, most of the time. There are several reasons for this, but suffice it to say that mushroom identification is difficult, often technical, and sometimes impossible. This is a hard nugget to swallow for those who have used field guides to identify trees or birds, for example, and expect the mushroom world to be equally easy to penetrate. One doesn't need a microscope to identify a North American tree, and plenty of field guides can be found that include more or less all the tree species native to the continent. With mushrooms, one does need a microscope, much of the time—and no one even knows how many thousands of mushroom species there are." reference : http://mushroomexpert.com/studying.html#identifying

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From: Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 5:26 PM
To: Isabelle & Alok <alokis...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, Ashutosh Sharma <ashutoshs...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Thanks Alok

we dont want to be laughing stock of the Mycology world

just because some photographers keep asking for species level id for their mom and pop photos.

because our // Gargji's database going to out last us and go far and wide

enough said

usha di

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Usha di
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From: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:12 PM
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

Pl. see difference between two species (from the same author) as below:

http://australianfungi.blogspot.com/2011/05/53-microporus-xanthopus.html

http://australianfungi.blogspot.com/2010/09/49-coltricia-cinnamomea.html

Based on the above, posted images may be of Microporus xanthopus. However, underside need to be seen.

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 23:01
Subject: SK1800 20 Feb 2019 - Mycophyta
To: efloraindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:25 PM
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>
Cc: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[J.M. Garg]

With regards,
J.M.Garg

For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group (largest in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) or Efloraofindia website (with a species database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more than 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20).