Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid Heads: Cirsium for id from near Chakrata - NS 43

[Nidhan Singh]

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This robust thistle was shot from near Dak Pathar, during tour to Chakrata..can this be Cirsium wallichii ?

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Looks like C. argyracanthum DC. which is treated as synonym of C. verutum in Flowers of Himal and Nepal Plants but is distinct in white heads (FBI) and treated distinct even by The Plant List.

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[Nidhan Singh]

Thanks Sir, will wait for final verdict..

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:      

Looks like C. argyracanthum DC. which is treated as synonym of C. verutum in Flowers of Himal and Nepal Plants but is distinct in white heads (FBI) and treated distinct even by The Plant List. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Thanks Sir, will wait for final verdict..

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Looks like C. argyracanthum DC. which is treated as synonym of C. verutum in Flowers of Himal and Nepal Plants but is distinct in white heads (FBI) and treated distinct even by The Plant List. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Thanks Sir, will wait for final verdict..

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[J.M. Garg]

I think Cirsium wallichii DC., as per discussions and keys from Flora of Bhutan and specimens from POWO at SK 3195 03 September 2021

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[Gurcharan Singh]

In Cirsium wallichii inner involucre bracts are with dilated tips, which I don't see here.

Please see my upload

Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)

[J.M. Garg]

To me phyllaries appear similar to those at Cirsium wallichii DC. and as in your post at Asteraceae Fortnight Part 2-Discoid heads- Cirsium wallichii from Kashmir-GS34 (google.com)

Looks different from phyllaries and spines at Cirsium verutum and Cirsium argyracanthum

I do not see any other closer species, as per keys at Cirsium wallichii DC.

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[J.M. Garg]

Maybe they become dilated when old.

Pl. see Cirsium wallichii ABJUNE2017/01

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[J.M. Garg]

And when flowers open.

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