Agumbe :: Piper FOR ID :: DVJAN57

[Dinesh Valke]

Agumbe ... Dakshina Kannada, Karnataka Date: 26 DEC 2014 ... Altitude: about 700 m asl

Piper ¿ species ? ... (family: Piperaceae)

Regards. Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Piper - species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available)

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Thanks, Ravindran ji.

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Dear Dr Garg,

Piper is a very tough genus , it very difficult to identify from photographs. This may be probably (?) the male plants of Piper attenuatum-if it is glabrous and the leaf with attenuate base.

If the entire plant is  hairy it can be Piper hymenophyllum. 

While sending photos please send information on salient morphological features too. 

PNR 

[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Garg ji for resurfacing this query.

Thank you very much Ravindran ji. I agree with Ravindran ji that we cannot arrive to any ID in case of many plants if relevant aspects are not illustrated. 

This post does not have relevant photos to resolve ID.

Requesting Garg ji to close this thread.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan]

Piper attenuatum Buch.-Ham. ex Miq.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 6:12 PM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Santhan ji for the ID.

Regards.

Dinesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

As per POWO, Piper attenuatum Buch.-Ham. ex Miq. does not have any distribution in India.

Even this taxa itself does not find any mention in the following:

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 289 (2): 188–192, 2017
Abstract More than a century ago, the comprehensive account of the Piperaceae in the Flora of British India by Hooker (1886) listed 45 species of Piper (including Pothomorphe) and ten species of Peperomia from India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Sri Lanka as well as the Indonesian islands Java and Sumatra. The genus Piper was treated under six sections, wherein he listed 28 species from present day India. Several years later, C. de Candolle (1923) recognized 95 species of Piper and eight of Peperomia from India, including 41 species of Piper that were new, although they were not described fully until 1925. A number of new species and varieties were also added by Van Heurck & Müller Argoviensis (1871), C. de Candolle (1910, 1912), Gamble (1924), Ravindran et al. (1987), Babu et al. (1993), Gajurel et al. (2001 a & b, 2007), Lekhak et al. (2012), and Mathew et al. (2016). In the meantime, some regional accounts of the genus Piper were also published, including Rahiman & Nair (1987) from Karnataka, Gajurel et al. (2002, 2008) from Arunachal Pradesh, and Das et al. (2010) from Terai Duars, Darjeeling, and Sikkim. Long (1984) published an account of Piperaceae from Bhutan that included records from Sikkim, wherein he suggested some new synonyms. A critical examination of these publications points to their limitations concerning some of the identities and nomenclature.

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018
Abstract In continuation of the taxonomic study of the genus Piper from India (Mukherjee, 2017), eighty-four Piper names, reported from India, are considered here for their typification, identity, and nomenclature. The scrutiny led to the recognition of twenty-four species. Thirty-five synonyms are proposed as new ones out of sixty-one treated here. Lectotypes are designated for almost all the species recognised here together with their synonyms or basionyms. Holotypes are mentioned when applicable. Of particular mention are P. hookeri and P. sylvaticum with confused identities and lacking proper typification. Corrections are suggested to earlier lectotypifications for P. hymenophyllum and P. rhytidocarpum. Extension of distribution to India from Myanmar are recorded for three species: P. acutistigmum, P. leptostachyum and P. pothoides.

 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

According to POWO and CoL it has distribution in India!

Article | A REVIEW ON PIPER ATTENUATUM (B. HAM) FOR 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

I mean to say:

As per POWO, Piper attenuatum Buch.-Ham. ex Miq. does not have any distribution in S.India.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

But the other link says it exists in "mainly found in southern part of India"

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

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Which other link ?

I have already mentioned reliable documents based on publications as below:

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 289 (2): 188–192, 2017
Abstract More than a century ago, the comprehensive account of the Piperaceae in the Flora of British India by Hooker (1886) listed 45 species of Piper (including Pothomorphe) and ten species of Peperomia from India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Sri Lanka as well as the Indonesian islands Java and Sumatra. The genus Piper was treated under six sections, wherein he listed 28 species from present day India. Several years later, C. de Candolle (1923) recognized 95 species of Piper and eight of Peperomia from India, including 41 species of Piper that were new, although they were not described fully until 1925. A number of new species and varieties were also added by Van Heurck & Müller Argoviensis (1871), C. de Candolle (1910, 1912), Gamble (1924), Ravindran et al. (1987), Babu et al. (1993), Gajurel et al. (2001 a & b, 2007), Lekhak et al. (2012), and Mathew et al. (2016). In the meantime, some regional accounts of the genus Piper were also published, including Rahiman & Nair (1987) from Karnataka, Gajurel et al. (2002, 2008) from Arunachal Pradesh, and Das et al. (2010) from Terai Duars, Darjeeling, and Sikkim. Long (1984) published an account of Piperaceae from Bhutan that included records from Sikkim, wherein he suggested some new synonyms. A critical examination of these publications points to their limitations concerning some of the identities and nomenclature.

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018
Abstract In continuation of the taxonomic study of the genus Piper from India (Mukherjee, 2017), eighty-four Piper names, reported from India, are considered here for their typification, identity, and nomenclature. The scrutiny led to the recognition of twenty-four species. Thirty-five synonyms are proposed as new ones out of sixty-one treated here. Lectotypes are designated for almost all the species recognised here together with their synonyms or basionyms. Holotypes are mentioned when applicable. Of particular mention are P. hookeri and P. sylvaticum with confused identities and lacking proper typification. Corrections are suggested to earlier lectotypifications for P. hymenophyllum and P. rhytidocarpum. Extension of distribution to India from Myanmar are recorded for three species: P. acutistigmum, P. leptostachyum and P. pothoides.

I have got these with me.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

As per POWO, Piper attenuatum Buch.-Ham. ex Miq. does not have any distribution in S.India.

Even this taxa itself does not find any mention in the following:

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 289 (2): 188–192, 2017
Abstract More than a century ago, the comprehensive account of the Piperaceae in the Flora of British India by Hooker (1886) listed 45 species of Piper (including Pothomorphe) and ten species of Peperomia from India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Sri Lanka as well as the Indonesian islands Java and Sumatra. The genus Piper was treated under six sections, wherein he listed 28 species from present day India. Several years later, C. de Candolle (1923) recognized 95 species of Piper and eight of Peperomia from India, including 41 species of Piper that were new, although they were not described fully until 1925. A number of new species and varieties were also added by Van Heurck & Müller Argoviensis (1871), C. de Candolle (1910, 1912), Gamble (1924), Ravindran et al. (1987), Babu et al. (1993), Gajurel et al. (2001 a & b, 2007), Lekhak et al. (2012), and Mathew et al. (2016). In the meantime, some regional accounts of the genus Piper were also published, including Rahiman & Nair (1987) from Karnataka, Gajurel et al. (2002, 2008) from Arunachal Pradesh, and Das et al. (2010) from Terai Duars, Darjeeling, and Sikkim. Long (1984) published an account of Piperaceae from Bhutan that included records from Sikkim, wherein he suggested some new synonyms. A critical examination of these publications points to their limitations concerning some of the identities and nomenclature.

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018
Abstract In continuation of the taxonomic study of the genus Piper from India (Mukherjee, 2017), eighty-four Piper names, reported from India, are considered here for their typification, identity, and nomenclature. The scrutiny led to the recognition of twenty-four species. Thirty-five synonyms are proposed as new ones out of sixty-one treated here. Lectotypes are designated for almost all the species recognised here together with their synonyms or basionyms. Holotypes are mentioned when applicable. Of particular mention are P. hookeri and P. sylvaticum with confused identities and lacking proper typification. Corrections are suggested to earlier lectotypifications for P. hymenophyllum and P. rhytidocarpum. Extension of distribution to India from Myanmar are recorded for three species: P. acutistigmum, P. leptostachyum and P. pothoides.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ravindran ji.

But why this taxa itself does not find any mention in the following:

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 289 (2): 188–192, 2017
Abstract More than a century ago, the comprehensive account of the Piperaceae in the Flora of British India by Hooker (1886) listed 45 species of Piper (including Pothomorphe) and ten species of Peperomia from India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Nepal, Philippines, Sri Lanka as well as the Indonesian islands Java and Sumatra. The genus Piper was treated under six sections, wherein he listed 28 species from present day India. Several years later, C. de Candolle (1923) recognized 95 species of Piper and eight of Peperomia from India, including 41 species of Piper that were new, although they were not described fully until 1925. A number of new species and varieties were also added by Van Heurck & Müller Argoviensis (1871), C. de Candolle (1910, 1912), Gamble (1924), Ravindran et al. (1987), Babu et al. (1993), Gajurel et al. (2001 a & b, 2007), Lekhak et al. (2012), and Mathew et al. (2016). In the meantime, some regional accounts of the genus Piper were also published, including Rahiman & Nair (1987) from Karnataka, Gajurel et al. (2002, 2008) from Arunachal Pradesh, and Das et al. (2010) from Terai Duars, Darjeeling, and Sikkim. Long (1984) published an account of Piperaceae from Bhutan that included records from Sikkim, wherein he suggested some new synonyms. A critical examination of these publications points to their limitations concerning some of the identities and nomenclature.

Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018
Abstract In continuation of the taxonomic study of the genus Piper from India (Mukherjee, 2017), eighty-four Piper names, reported from India, are considered here for their typification, identity, and nomenclature. The scrutiny led to the recognition of twenty-four species. Thirty-five synonyms are proposed as new ones out of sixty-one treated here. Lectotypes are designated for almost all the species recognised here together with their synonyms or basionyms. Holotypes are mentioned when applicable. Of particular mention are P. hookeri and P. sylvaticum with confused identities and lacking proper typification. Corrections are suggested to earlier lectotypifications for P. hymenophyllum and P. rhytidocarpum. Extension of distribution to India from Myanmar are recorded for three species: P. acutistigmum, P. leptostachyum and P. pothoides.

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I feel the pics are that of P. attenuatum. This is the most common species found in the Western Ghats, 

especially at lower elevations.

PN Ravindran . 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Ravindran ji.

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Dear Dr Garg

I am not a taxonomist to answer all your doubts. I am an agricultural scientist engaged in the collection, study and breeding of pepper and conservation of genetic resources. Retired long back, and no more involved in active research My interests are now different. 

Still, The species can be found in Gambles Flora (Flora of Madras Presidency), as well as in the floras of Wynad, Idukki and Pathanamthitta districts. TBGRI collected it from South Western Ghats and the species is available there. I carried out the chemical studies but do not have the information with me. I have also carried out the genetic relationship studies using clustering analysis and principal component analysis. This is related closely to Piper argyrophyllum, the difference is in the pubescence of the latter. 

Sorry, I am unable to tell more as  I do not have any documents with me. One Dr KV Saji (IISR, Calicut, 673012)  has done the molecular taxonomic analysis. 

With Regards

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Ravindran ji.

This is what Nomenclatural notes on Piper Linn. (Piperaceae) from India II - PRASANTA KUMAR MUKHERJEE- Phytotaxa 338 (1): 017–032, 2018, says about Piper argyrophyllum and P. attenuatum:

"24. Piper wightii Miq., London J. Bot. 5: 552. 1846.
Type:—INDIA, Peninsula Ind. Orientalis, Herb. Wight Prop. Wight 2691/6 (lectotype E00313794 image!; isolectotype Nagapatam, Wight 6 U1476590 image!, syntypes E00313791 image!; Peninsula Ind. Orientalis, Courtallum, Wight 2691 E00313802 image!, U1476593 image!)
Piper wightiana Wight Icon 6: t 939. 1853 nom. invalid.
Distribution:—INDIA: Tamilnadu.
Note: Remarks by Hooker (1886: 242) about Wight and Arnott’s specimens are very pertinent. A number of specimens collected by Wight with varying numbers or even under the same number under the name Piper wightii are available at U and E. Images of these specimens have been checked. F. A. W. Miquel’s annotations as ‘Piper wightii n. sp.’ are found on two specimens, one each at U and E, but with slight differences in numbering and labelling but essentially having the number Wight 6. Both are equally good specimens matching the description by Miquel. Of these
Wight n. 2691/6, E (00313794) is designated here as the lectotype, and Wight 6 is selected as the isolectotype. Miquel cited two localities in Peninsular India, Nagapatam and Courtallum. Hence, Wight’s Specimens from Peninsular India, Courtallum, mentioned by Wight (1853) and matching the description are recognised here as syntypes. A number of Wight’s specimens at E often have different plants stored under that name. Some of them match with P. argyrophyllum Miq., P. hymenophyllum, or P. hookeri Miq. besides P. wightii itself as correctly noted by Hooker (loc. cit.). Gamble incorrectly identified several of them as P. attenuatum. Wight’s specimens at K are excluded from consideration of typification as only one of them has the mention of locality as Coonoor and this has not been mentioned by Miquel. The name P. wightiana ascribed to Wight (Pl. 1939 of Wight’s Icon) was an error by his (1853:4) own admission. Miquel (1856: 553) suggested forma glabrior for specimens from Dindigul and Courtallum, having glabrous 5-nerved leaves, without formally publishing the combination."

[J.M. Garg]

Id as Piper argyrophyllum may be correct as per GBIF specimens:

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fsweetgum.nybg.org%2Fimages3%2F3613%2F413%2F04152116.jpg

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kew.org%2Fherbcatimg%2F390656.jpg

https://api.gbif.org/v1/image/unsafe/https%3A%2F%2Fmedialib.naturalis.nl%2Ffile%2Fid%2FU.1476681%2Fformat%2Flarge

POWO gives its distribution in SW. India, Sri Lanka.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Prasanta ji.

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From: Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee
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Distribution of Piper attenuatum  in India :West Benglal, Sikkim,Assam,Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh, Tamilnadu,Kerala, & Karnataka and also Bhutan,Myanmar and China .

.

Please refer to Nomenclatural Notes on Piper (Piperaceae) III. BY Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee Phytotaxa  441(3):p. 2-3. 2020.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:39 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Garg ji for analysing and following up on validating this ID.

Going through the discussion, if I am not mistaking, the ID, I assume is concluded as Piper attenuatum.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Saroj Kasaju]

Just to get some clarification !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Yes, Dinesh ji,

We should go by Expert advice of Dr. Ravindran and Dr. Mukherjee.

I further checked in GBIF and it seems to match as per specimen.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much, Garg ji.

Regards.

Dinesh