SK 2197 26 September 2019

Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 26, 2019, 1:31:49 PM9/26/19

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Dear Members,

Location: Indra Daha, Kathmandu

Altitude: 1543 m.

Date: 18 August 2019

Habit : Wild

Syzizium??

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Saroj Kasaju

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Saroj Kasaju

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Sep 26, 2019, 1:32:31 PM9/26/19

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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ushadi

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Sep 26, 2019, 3:06:56 PM9/26/19

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is it a shrub

or a tree?

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Ushadi

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Sep 27, 2019, 12:14:28 PM9/27/19

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Small tree!

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 3, 2019, 5:21:19 AM10/3/19

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May be Syzygium cumini (L.) Skeels as per comparative images at Syzygium‎ & as per checklist of Nepal.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 3, 2019, 8:06:36 AM10/3/19

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Is the flowering period ok . It has not yet flowered.

Syzygium cumini

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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Oct 3, 2019, 9:51:56 AM10/3/19

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Check with observations in efi site.

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Oct 9, 2019, 4:10:30 AM10/9/19

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Flora of Bhutan gives flowering as Feb. to August.

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Oct 9, 2019, 5:21:02 AM10/9/19

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I think this may be both flowering and fruiting time.

J.M. Garg

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Oct 9, 2019, 5:33:02 AM10/9/19

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On checking with keys in Flora of Bhutan at Syzygium‎, there is another closely related species as per keys at

Calyx tube 4—5mm, cup suddenly contracted into stalk-like base; stamens 4— 7mm......................................................................................... 8. S. venosum

Calyx tube funnel-shaped, tapering and not suddenly contracted into stalk-like base .......................................................................................... 10. S. cumini

Flora of Bhutan mentions, Fl. -Fr. time as June to November. So S. venosum is possible. It also gives its habitat as Warm broad-leaved forests and river banks in dry valleys, 300- l410m, while for S. cumini it gives Subtropical and warm broad-leaved forests, 200— 1580m. February —August.

However, I am unable to decide based on the above keys.

Complete description of S. venosum is as below:

Tree 6- 25m. Leaves leathery, elliptic to obovate, 8 — 12 x 2.5 — 6cm, abruptly acuminate or caudate, base attenuate, glossy above, veins numerous, slender, weakly prominent on both surfaces, intra-marginal vein conspicuous; petiole 1.1 2cm. Cymes terminal and axillary, 4 — 8cm diameter, many-ﬂowered; peduncle 2 —6cm. Flowers sessile. Calyx 4—5 x 4—5mm, cup abruptly narrowed into stalk like base, very shallowly lobed. Petals white, -4mm, shed together as ﬂowers open. Stamens cream, 4 - 7mm. Style c 4mm. Fruit obovoid, c lcm, ﬂeshy when ripe, pinkish crimson.

Complete description of S. cumini is as below:

Tree to 25m. Leaves coriaceous, elliptic, sometimes ovate or obovate, 6— 13 x 3—6cm, acuminate, base cuneate, veins numerous, intra-marginal vein +/-conspicuous; petiole 1.5—2cm. Cymes borne in axils of older and fallen leaves, c 8cm diameter, many-ﬂowered; peduncle 0.5 — 10cm. Flowers sessile. Calyx funnel-shaped, tube 3 — 5 x 2 — 3mm, tapering into stalk-like base, lobes shallow, persistent. Petals creamy, 2mm, shed as a cap. Stamens 2 — 5mm. Style 2 — 4mm. Fruit obliquely obovoid, l x O.6cm, crimson, becoming black when ripe.

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ushadi

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Oct 9, 2019, 2:34:53 PM10/9/19

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not S. cumini for sure

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Ushadi

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 9, 2019, 3:16:33 PM10/9/19

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I guess you are right Mr. Garg !

plantillustrations.org 335551Syzygium venosum DC.Memoires de la Société de physique et d’histoire naturelle de Genève, vol. 9: t. 17 (1841-1842) [J.C. Heyland]

plantillustrations.org 335552Syzygium venosum DC. [as Syzygium areolatum DC.] Memoires de la Société de physique et d’histoire naturelle de Genève, vol. 9: t. 18 (1841-1842) [J.C. Heyland]

Recently published book the Dept of Plant Resources , Govt. of Nepal

has added following sp also besides listed in the ACFPoN :

S. formosum

S. kurzii

S. nervosum

S.ramosissium

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

ushadi

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Oct 9, 2019, 9:56:14 PM10/9/19

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Saroj ji

can the book be purchased?

is there website for it?

or

could you please give citation for the book including

ISBN and full name of book

authors

publisher

etcthanks

Regards

Ushadi

J.M. Garg

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Oct 9, 2019, 11:10:11 PM10/9/19

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Question is how to verify with the keys as other aspects look similar.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 9, 2019, 11:17:42 PM10/9/19

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For me it is even difficult. Just I can guess.

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Oct 12, 2019, 5:07:16 AM10/12/19

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Yes Usha Di ! around INR 500 each and less.

1. A handbook of Flowering Plans of Nepal Vol 1 ISBN : 978-9937-0-3401-2

2. A handbook of Flowering Plans of Nepal Vol 1 ISBN : 978-9937-9248-4-9

3. Flowering Plants Discovered from Nepal ISBN : 978-9937-9248-3-2

All published by Department of Plant Resources m Govt. of Nepal.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

ushadi

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Oct 12, 2019, 11:11:45 AM10/12/19

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how can one in India buy them?

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Ushadi

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 12, 2019, 11:13:03 AM10/12/19

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Not available in India ! Sold by office only.

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Saroj Kasaju

ushadi

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Oct 13, 2019, 6:13:37 AM10/13/19

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we need to figure something out

will ask Gargji

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Ushadi

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 13, 2019, 6:14:38 AM10/13/19

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OK !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 6, 2020, 1:05:54 AM2/6/20

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Same plant on 19 January 2020 !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 6, 2020, 1:06:25 AM2/6/20

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 6, 2020, 6:53:27 AM2/6/20

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Thanks, Saroj ji,

What do you say about the id as per key?

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Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 6, 2020, 6:57:34 AM2/6/20

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Not yet sure Mr. Garg !

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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Feb 6, 2020, 6:58:28 AM2/6/20

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Pl. check the calyx of S. cumini also.

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Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 6, 2020, 7:07:56 AM2/6/20

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ACFPoN says : Fruit red to black, ellipsoid to pot-shaped, 1-2 cm, 1-seeded; persistent calyx tube 1-1.5 mm. Fl. Feb-Mar or Apr-May, fr. Jun-Sep.

Secondary forests on level areas, wastelands, streamsides; below 100 to 1200 m.

GLOBAL INVASIVE SPECIES DATABASE

Pichandiculum forest

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Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Feb 12, 2020, 11:42:40 PM2/12/20

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I think this confirms it as S. venosum

Calyx tube 4—5mm, cup suddenly contracted into stalk-like base; stamens 4— 7mm......................................................................................... 8. S. venosum

Calyx tube funnel-shaped, tapering and not suddenly contracted into stalk-like base .......................................................................................... 10. S. cumini

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Saroj Kasaju

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Feb 13, 2020, 12:29:30 AM2/13/20

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Thank you Mr. Garg !

I was with the same opinion !

Saroj Kasaju

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