MS/12/2019/4 - ID of a plant from Arunachal.

M Swamy

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Dec 16, 2019, 10:23:31 AM12/16/19

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Sent by a friend on a trip to Arunachal.

Photo taken at Mishmi hills on Dec 5th. Longest leaf about 10 cm. A foot high plant. Any idea of sp family? No flowers or fruit available.

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Arunachal plant

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Paradesi Anjaneyulu

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Dec 16, 2019, 10:38:57 AM12/16/19

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Resembles Zanthoxylum sp,

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Saroj Kasaju

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Dec 16, 2019, 11:05:40 AM12/16/19

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Agree with Paradesi ji.

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J.M. Garg

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Dec 16, 2019, 10:46:37 PM12/16/19

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Thanks, Paradesi ji

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Thanks Pardeshi ji & Garg ji.

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Mahadeswara

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Dec 17, 2019, 11:21:11 PM12/17/19

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Pardesi ji & Saro j ji,

The picture is not matching with any of the species in the net. Please suggest which species of Xanthoxylum

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Thanks Pardeshi ji & Garg ji.

On Tue, 17 Dec, 2019, 09:16 J.M. Garg, <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Paradesi ji

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On Mon 16 Dec, 2019, 9:08 PM Paradesi Anjaneyulu, <paradesia...@gmail.com> wrote:

Resembles Zanthoxylum sp,
With regards.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 20:53, M Swamy <swam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sent by a friend on a trip to Arunachal.
Photo taken at Mishmi hills on Dec 5th. Longest leaf about 10 cm. A foot high plant. Any idea of sp family? No flowers or fruit available.

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Arunachal plant

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Saroj Kasaju

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Dec 17, 2019, 11:48:58 PM12/17/19

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Please check Zanthoxylum oxyphyllum Edgeworth !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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M Swamy

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Dec 18, 2019, 1:02:52 AM12/18/19

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Thanks Saroj ji.

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ushadi

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Dec 20, 2019, 10:26:06 AM12/20/19

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but Saroji

did you take those remarkable thorns on the leaves into account

Z. oxyphyllum pictures on the net do not show any thorns

not only that they donot show any hairs on the leaves either

before my internet went dead a few days ago

i had puzzled over this plant

and was working my way thru the taxonomic key

i dont remember seeing any thing that describes this very remarkable single picture

Mahadeswaraji

can you friend give us more details and pictures?

Regards

Ushadi

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Mahadeswara

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Dec 20, 2019, 10:42:58 PM12/20/19

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Madam,

I contacted my friend for additional picture(s). But he has only this one.

Regards,

M.Swamy

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but Saroji
did you take those remarkable thorns on the leaves into account

Z. oxyphyllum pictures on the net do not show any thorns
not only that they donot show any hairs on the leaves either
before my internet went dead a few days ago
i had puzzled over this plant
and was working my way thru the taxonomic key

i dont remember seeing any thing that describes this very remarkable single picture

Mahadeswaraji
can you friend give us more details and pictures?

Regards
Ushadi

Thanks Saroj ji.

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ushadi

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Dec 21, 2019, 3:00:47 AM12/21/19

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so we will have to keep digging when time permits

i have to run to a funeral

it was a 47 yr old bahu in my extended family

so do not know when i will be able to

but i will

so will most of you dedicated citizen scientists, i know

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J.M. Garg

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Dec 30, 2019, 3:33:05 AM12/30/19

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Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Resembles Zanthoxylum sp,- from Paradesi ji.

Agree with Paradesi ji.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Pardesi ji & Saro j ji,

The picture is not matching with any of the species in the net. Please suggest which species of Xanthoxylum - from Mahadeswara ji

Please check Zanthoxylum oxyphyllum Edgeworth !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

but Saroji, did you take those remarkable thorns on the leaves into account. Z. oxyphyllum pictures on the net do not show any thorns. not only that they do not show any hairs on the leaves either.

before my internet went dead a few days ago, i had puzzled over this plant and was working my way thru the taxonomic key.

i dont remember seeing any thing that describes this very remarkable single picture.

Mahadeswaraji

can you friend give us more details and pictures?

Regards

Ushadi

I contacted my friend for additional picture(s). But he has only this one.

Regards,

M.Swamy

IMG-20191216-WA0003.jpg

Pravir Deshmukh

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Dec 30, 2019, 3:54:40 AM12/30/19

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Dear Sir,

Checked in Flora of China, its looks like Zanthoxylum laetum, its wood climber. for more details, please refer below link.

http://flora.huh.harvard.edu/china/PDF/PDF11/Zanthoxylum.pdf

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Saroj Kasaju

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Dec 30, 2019, 5:09:57 AM12/30/19

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Is it listed in India?I could not find.

Parts between leaflets are winged but not sure in Z. laetum.

Leaf margin looks slight different.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Dec 30, 2019, 10:40:13 PM12/30/19

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec, 2019, 20:58
Subject: Re: MS/12/2019/4 - ID of a plant from Arunachal.
To: Pravir Deshmukh <pra...@gmail.com>, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

I think Dr. Pravir ji is correct. I could get the photographs matching the species suggested by him. https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-unknown&sxsrf=ACYBGNRS-kW6sNCVBn1REn1gHqtmq9ligA%3A1577712383224&ei=__oJXsOqDeaU4-EP4-qkgAQ&q=zanthoxylum+laetum&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.2.46i362i39i275j46i362i39j35i362i39l2j46i362i39l2j35i362i39j46i362i39.0.0..11402...1.1..0.0.0.......0....1.......8..0i71.Ay-aQ9Nmpdw#imgrc=I-3ML-3BbP1v_M
Thanks Pravir ji & Saroj ji for your valuable inputs.

On Mon, 30 Dec, 2019, 17:28 M Swamy, <swamy...@gmail.com> wrote:

Attn : Saroj ji,
I concur with the observation of Saroj ji .
Regards,

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Thanks Pravir Deshmukh ji.
Regards,

J.M. Garg

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Jan 8, 2020, 1:14:30 AM1/8/20

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It does not match with FOC illustration and GBIF specimens.

As per Flora of China, leaves are alternate. It further says: Trunk, branches, branchlets, and leaf rachises with prickles. Rachis of young leaves, petiolules, and midvein of leaflet blades puberulent.

In this there is no mention of prickles on mid vein of the leaflets.

Thus, identification at Crug Farm Plants appears to be wrong.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jan 6, 2021, 10:11:05 AM1/6/21

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Forwarding again for ID

Distributed as Zanthoxylum species- Mishmi hills, Arunachal

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Gurcharan Singh

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Forwarding again for ID

Distributed as Zanthoxylum species- Mishmi hills, Arunachal

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Gurcharan Singh

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Jan 13, 2021, 11:03:28 AM1/13/21

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Forwarding again

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JM Garg

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Sep 1, 2022, 6:53:13 AM9/1/22

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I think it may be Zanthoxylum acanthopodium DC., as per images and details herein.

BSI Flora of India says " Leaves 3-foliolate or imparipinnate, up to 25 cm long; petiole and rachis armed with compressed prickles on both sides ..."

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