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Ashwini Bhatia

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Feb 15, 2015, 10:08:26 AM2/15/15
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I am back after about a month of travelling and will share photos of trees/plants I collected on my journey as I edit them. I am sure I missed a lot of exciting stuff on the forum and apologise for contributing nothing to the discussions. I hope I can make up for my absence by posting regularly from now on.

I walked in the mountains with family today and we took a trail which we do not usually take as it lies mostly in shadow. I found a couple of new plants/trees and I am sharing one with you here. 

To my untrained eyes it looks like Himalayan Hemlock of the pine family. I saw only a couple of young shrub like trees with no cones on them, making it difficult to be certain. But the needles' shape and arrangement suggests Hemlock. Please advise.

Himalayan Hemlock (Tsuga dumosa)–Please confirm.
2000m, above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala,
Himachal Pradesh
15 Feb. 2015

Thanks.
Ashwini

J.M. Garg

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Feb 19, 2015, 6:43:09 AM2/19/15
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

efi page on Tsuga dumosa                                         


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D.S Rawat

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Feb 19, 2015, 7:29:13 AM2/19/15
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It is interesting that this species is not known in Himachal Pradesh. The available literature indicate Kali valley in Kumaon Uttarakhand as the westernmost distribution of this species.
Needs thorough checking for confirmation of identity.
DSRawat Pantnagar

Dr D.S.Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA

D.S Rawat

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Feb 19, 2015, 7:38:49 AM2/19/15
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The appearance also suggest Taxus baccata ssp. wallichiana.
DSRawat Pantnagar

Ashwini Bhatia

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Feb 19, 2015, 9:09:34 AM2/19/15
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Thank you Dr Rawat. Could I have misidentified a Abies pindrow?

Thanks.
Ashwini

On 19-Feb-2015, at 5:59 pm, D.S Rawat <drdsrawat...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is interesting that this species is not known in Himachal Pradesh. The available literature indicate Kali valley in Kumaon Uttarakhand as the westernmost distribution of this species.
Needs thorough checking for confirmation of identity.
DSRawat Pantnagar

Dr D.S.Rawat
Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA


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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
efi page on Tsuga dumosa                                         

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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
Date: 15 February 2015 at 20:37
Subject: [efloraofindia:215733] Back...Tsuga dumosa/ABFEB01
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I am back after about a month of travelling and will share photos of trees/plants I collected on my journey as I edit them. I am sure I missed a lot of exciting stuff on the forum and apologise for contributing nothing to the discussions. I hope I can make up for my absence by posting regularly from now on.

I walked in the mountains with family today and we took a trail which we do not usually take as it lies mostly in shadow. I found a couple of new plants/trees and I am sharing one with you here. 

To my untrained eyes it looks like Himalayan Hemlock of the pine family. I saw only a couple of young shrub like trees with no cones on them, making it difficult to be certain. But the needles' shape and arrangement suggests Hemlock. Please advise.

Himalayan Hemlock (Tsuga dumosa)–Please confirm.
2000m, above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala,
Himachal Pradesh
15 Feb. 2015

Thanks.
Ashwini

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 23, 2015, 12:46:19 AM2/23/15
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Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It is interesting that this species is not known in Himachal Pradesh. The available literature indicate Kali valley in Kumaon Uttarakhand as the westernmost distribution of this species.
Needs thorough checking for confirmation of identity.
DSRawat Pantnagar                                        

The appearance also suggest Taxus baccata ssp. wallichiana.
DSRawat Pantnagar 

Thank you Dr Rawat. Could I have misidentified a Abies pindrow

 efi page on Abies pindrow & Taxus wallichiana (syn. Taxus baccata ssp. wallichiana)


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Date: 15 February 2015 at 20:37
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Ashwini Bhatia

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Feb 23, 2015, 3:55:01 AM2/23/15
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I am sorry I did not see Dr Rawat's post about Taxus wallichiana. I will have a look at the sample I have again and report back.

Regards,
Ashwini

On 23-Feb-2015, at 11:16 am, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

It is interesting that this species is not known in Himachal Pradesh. The available literature indicate Kali valley in Kumaon Uttarakhand as the westernmost distribution of this species.
Needs thorough checking for confirmation of identity.
DSRawat Pantnagar                                        

The appearance also suggest Taxus baccata ssp. wallichiana.
DSRawat Pantnagar 

Thank you Dr Rawat. Could I have misidentified a Abies pindrow

 efi page on Abies pindrow & Taxus wallichiana (syn. Taxus baccata ssp. wallichiana)


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From: Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com>
Date: 15 February 2015 at 20:37
Subject: [efloraofindia:215733] Back...Tsuga dumosa/ABFEB01
To: efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>


I am back after about a month of travelling and will share photos of trees/plants I collected on my journey as I edit them. I am sure I missed a lot of exciting stuff on the forum and apologise for contributing nothing to the discussions. I hope I can make up for my absence by posting regularly from now on.

I walked in the mountains with family today and we took a trail which we do not usually take as it lies mostly in shadow. I found a couple of new plants/trees and I am sharing one with you here. 

To my untrained eyes it looks like Himalayan Hemlock of the pine family. I saw only a couple of young shrub like trees with no cones on them, making it difficult to be certain. But the needles' shape and arrangement suggests Hemlock. Please advise.

Himalayan Hemlock (Tsuga dumosa)–Please confirm.
2000m, above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala,
Himachal Pradesh
15 Feb. 2015

Thanks.
Ashwini

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Narain Singh Chauhan

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Feb 23, 2015, 8:30:24 AM2/23/15
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Ist photosuperficially looks like Taxus wallichiana,but the buds/cones on the tip of the branches suggest otherwise.
 Next branch redsembles to Abies sp.


J.M. Garg

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Mar 5, 2015, 7:23:15 AM3/5/15
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Thanks, Manoj ji.

 
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This is Taxus baccata with male cones. 

Ashwini Bhatia

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Mar 5, 2015, 8:18:36 AM3/5/15
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Thank you Mr Garg and Manoj ji.
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Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 31, 2020, 1:37:20 AM10/31/20
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Forwarding again for ID confirmation
Distributed as  Taxus baccata (Cultivated) 

I don't think these are male cones of Taxus, bracts are too rigid
Moreover West Himalayan Taxus is now T. contorta not T. baccata
This may be Tsuga dumosa only as suggested by Ashvini ji
Experts please decide
Group discussion at 

Gurcharan Singh

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Oct 31, 2020, 1:38:28 AM10/31/20
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Forwarding again for ID confirmation
Distributed as  Taxus baccata (Cultivated) 

I don't think these are male cones of Taxus, bracts are too rigid
Moreover West Himalayan Taxus is now T. contorta not T. baccata
This may be Tsuga dumosa only as suggested by Ashvini ji
Experts please decide
Group discussion at 
 

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