Euphorbia kanaorica for confirmation

[Ashutosh Sharma]

Respected members,

Euphorbia kanaorica

Family - Euphorbiaceae

Habitat - Found growing along roadside under  rocks.

Plants small upto 12 cms long.

Altitude - 1700 metres asl

Photographed at Kullu district, Himachal Pradesh 

Dated - 20 March 2019

I hope group experts will validate the id... 

Best regards

Ashutosh Sharma 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Nice upload !

Thank you Ashutosh ji !

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for validation please.

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[J.M. Garg]

I could not find any images on net.

What ever I could see from the following, I am not getting sure:

Flora of Pakistan (On stony slopes, gravel slides and screes; 9500'/2900 m. - 14,100'/4300 m)- What is the altitude mentioned in your books ?

FOP illustration

GBIF

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[Saroj Kasaju]

                                                                          Species Euphorbia kanaorica Boiss.  ??

There seems a vast difference in the elevation according to the FoP.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Ushadi Micromini]

univ michigan

has occurrences in India

one such is in Jammu And Kashmir

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/1321481713 

elevation given

you have to  find it from the locality

Locality	Dras toMitsahoi, Ladak road
State province	Jammu and Kashmir

see how high asl

is it?

another one on the map is along

https://www.gbif.org/species/3066005 

the River  Narmada

at GPS: 

Decimal latitude	22.88361
Decimal longitude	79.61611

that cant be very high  above sea level

one needs to locate it on terrestrial or whatever that map that shows contours and elevation

Usha di
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[Ushadi Micromini]

Structurally seems to have all the attributes in the description in FOP site

Usha di
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[Ashutosh Sharma]

The correct attitude is as mentioned in FOP from 2000metres to 4300metres and there the flowering time mentioned is from June to August but i think as the altitude is about 1000metres lower of our Euphorbia so the flowering will also occur early. 

Habitat mentioned in FOP also matches with our plant as i have found them along gravel slides and screes along link road. 

Moreover the flowering plants are also small with thin wiry main stem. 

As mentioned by Ushadi there is one observation on gbif showing it from Central India its actually not from that place shown in map because whenever there's no any proper place mentioned in any Herbarium record but there's country mentioned then it shows the coordinates in centre of that country which you see in this case. 

Best regards 

Ashutosh Sharma 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashutosh ji 

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[D.S Rawat]

http://apps.kew.org/herbcat/detailsQuery.do?imageId=52047&pageCode=1&presentPage=1&queryId=1&sessionId=D6E60926DCB5AC2768D505C81DE3BAAD&barcode=K000246240

DSRawat Pantnaagar

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rawat ji, 
Do you think it is close to the posted images by Ashutosh ji? 

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[Ushadi Micromini]

thanks, Ashutosh

nice to know

but that makes for confusion

in my thinking

they should just say.... site unknown or not mentioned

may be herbaria bigwigs should take a page out of 

cancer plotting

gas and oil plotting

metal ore search and plotting

these are all very old established methodologies

now medical sciences is plotting the new measles cases

and superbugs in hospitals and communities all over the world

if all kinds of varied scientists can do it

why not herbaria organizers?

i wonder what can nudge them?

Usha di
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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Rawat ji 

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On Fri 3 May, 2019, 4:02 PM D.S Rawat, <drdsrawat...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes it looks closer. 

BUT, Dr Tapas Chakrabarty and Dr N.P. Balakrishnan Sir are the expert of Euphorbiaceae. Their opinion is far more important. This case is more interesting because this species in not included in Flora of India volume 23.

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Dr D.S. Rawat

Department of Biological Sciences, G.B. Pant University of Agriculture & Technology Pantnagar-263 145 Uttarakhand, INDIA

eflorapantnagar displaying wild flora of Pantnagar

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 2:50 PM J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Me out of station. No access to literature.

[J.M. Garg]

I found one link conclusions - Shodhganga . It states as below (However without reference to the author, date etc.):

4. Euphorbia kanaorica Boiss.

Boissier (1862) cites the specimens from Himachal

Pradesh, Kinnaur, July 1830, Jacquemont 1491 (P) and Kinnaur,

21.8.1847, Thomson 2010 (K) as types. After a critical study

on the above syntypes, Kinnaur, 21.8.1847, Thomson 2010 is

selected as lectotype.

[D.S Rawat]

The 'Conclusion' link given by Garg Ji seems to be a part of the thesis of Dr Binoj Kumar. He, with Dr N.P. Balakrishnan has written a revision of Euphorbia genus in India. Further details about this species may be found in their book:

https://www.amazon.in/Genus-Euphorbia-L-Euphorbiaceae-taxonomic/dp/812110761X

I do not have it but it must be there in BSI libraries or university libraries.

DSRawat Pantnagar

On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 7:04:03 PM UTC+5:30, ashutoshsharma11sn wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Rawat ji.

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