Rubus rugosus Sm.

[Saroj Kasaju]

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Location: Nagarkot, Nepal  

Date: 12 December 2017

Altitude: 6800 ft.

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Saroj Kasaju

[Nidhan Singh]

Very nice images Saroj Ji...

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Dr. Singh !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Wonderful presentation. 

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

It may be Rubus rugosus Wight as per Rubus moluccanus

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Nepali Names : मरेठी Marethee / जोगी ऐंसेलु Jogee Ainselu / गोरु ऐंसेलु  Goru Ainselu / बन ऐंसेलु Ban Ainselu / बिपेम काँटा Bipem Kaantaa 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

I am confused about the color of fruit.

It should be black, isn't it ?

As per the net fruit color 

matching with R. moluccanus. 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Ushadi Micromini]

there may be some fungus infection

did you get them examined by some lab???

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[J.M. Garg]

Rubus rugosus Wight is a syn. of Rubus moluccanus

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[J.M. Garg]

Can this also be R.calycinoides as per SK 2297 18 November 2019 due to fruiting in Dec. ?

This species is stated to be erect or arching.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for ID confirmation

Distributed as  Rubus calycinoides ? 

Group discussion at

  Rubus rugosus Sm. (google.com)  

[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again for ID confirmation

Distributed as  Rubus calycinoides ? 

Group discussion at

  Rubus rugosus Sm. (google.com)  

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Rubus rugosus Sm.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[J.M. Garg]

I think it may be Rubus calycinoides as per images and details herein and as per keys in Online Flora of Nepal.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Yes Mr. Garg !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

It would be interesting to know Key and description of two species R. calycinoides Kuntze and R. rugosus Sm. because R. calycinoides Hayata and Koidz. (considered now as synonym of R. rolfei S. Vidal, along with R. pentalobus) is a very popular ground cover plant and amply described in numerous garden websites.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Got it from our own website, thanks Garg ji

Flora of Bhutan gives the following keys:

Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, lobes acute; stipules 1.5-2cm, subpersistent; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed ….. 16. R. calycinoides
Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, lobes rounded or subacute; stipules 1-1.5cm, early caducous; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely toothed at apex … 17. R. rugosus

 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess it is different from R. calycinoides ! 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Gurucharan Sir,

Please look at the keays in my earlier post of this mail  and 

your opinion.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Saroj ji R. calycinoides now known as R. rolfei as I wrote earlier is a ground cover creeping plant. This should be R. rugosus.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess there is some confusion between Rubus calycinoides Hayata and Rubus calycinoides Kuntze !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Saroj ji R. calycinoides Hayata is a common ground cover undershrub now known as R. rolfei

R. calycinoides Kuntze and R. rugosus are both taller plants with larger leaves occurring in E. Himalayas. Here is key from Flora of Bhutan which I have already shared

Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, lobes acute; stipules 1.5-2cm, subpersistent; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed ….. 16. R. calycinoides
Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, lobes rounded or subacute; stipules 1-1.5cm, early caducous; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely toothed at apex … 17. R. rugosus

If we add to this key features from Flora of Nepal:

1. Habit being Erect and arching compared to climbing and scandent of R.rugosa

2. Stipule being lacerate

3. Fruiting period being Oct.- Dec. compared to July to Sept. of R.rugosa

A combined key would be as under

R. calycinoides: Habit erect to arching, Leaves 10—20cm long and broad, lobes acute; stipules 1.5-2cm, lacerate, subpersistent; pedicels 8- 15mm; calyx lobes 10-12mm, often toothed, fruiting period Oct-Dec.

R. rugosus:  Habit climbing to scandent, Leaves 8-12X6-10cm, lobes rounded or subacute; stipules 1-1.5cm, early caducous; pedicels 2-7mm; calyx lobes 8—9mm, entire or minutely toothed at apex, fruiting period July-September. 

The specimens of these two species in our database need a relook.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thank you Gurucharan sir !

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[J.M. Garg]

I tried. Unable to fit by adding these parameters. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Any further opinion on this about Rubus rugosus Sm.  ?

Nepali Names : गोरु ऐँसेलु  Goru Anselu / बिपेन काँडा Bipen Kaanda

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju