Re: Climber with round fruit

[digpati roy]

Kumarghat,Tripura

Please identify

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Digpati Roy

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Digpati ji.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Some Siraitia sp. ??

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Saroj Kasaju

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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 20:07
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Thank you

Is it Siraitia siamensis var silomaradjae ?

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Digpati Roy

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[J.M. Garg]

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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 at 21:23
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Could be but I did not find proper images in net 

for verification.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 8:22 PM digpati roy <dp...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Thank you

Is it Siraitia siamensis var silomaradjae ?

Regards

Digpati Roy

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On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:43 PM, Saroj Kasaju

<kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

I think looks different as per

http://portal.cybertaxonomy.org/flora-malesiana/node/9256

https://www.gbif.org/es/species/3623038

http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119718&flora_id=2

[J.M. Garg]

I tried but could not find a match as per comparative images at Cucurbitaceae‎

However, I got the feeling that it may be some Cucumis species.

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Digpati ji,

Is it wild or cultivated?

[J.M. Garg]

However, I tried all species of Cucumis reported from your area, as per The Cucurbitaceae of India: Accepted names, synonyms, geographic distribution, and information on images and DNA sequences by Susanne S. Renner, Arun K. Pandey. (2013), but could not find any match.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

H , Digpati ji,

You did not tell whether it is wild or cultivated?

Only species of Siraitia found in India is Siraitia sikkimensis (West Bengal and Sikkim) as per

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3652411/

I could not find any specimen and photo on net for this species.

However, Siraitia grosvenorii may be cultivated. Pl. check if the seeds match at FOC illustration. I have doubts about this species though superficially it may be looking similar as per

https://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100808/spectrum/main2.htm

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/luohanguo.htm

https://www.deargogo.com/BELLFARM-Heirloom-Luo-Han-Guo-Siraitia-Grosvenorii-Fresh-Seeds-30-seeds-Chinese-herbs-fruits-healthy-garden-plant-easy-to-grow-p447217.html

https://www.amazon.com/Monksfruit-Siraitia-grosvenorii-Medicinal-Seed/dp/B01LZGV9X3

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Digpati ji.

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 18:19, digpati roy <dp...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

I always reply and I said it was not cultivated

The location is Pechartal,North Tripura near Mizoram and Bangladesh border.

I know monk fruit(Siraitia grosvenorii) which  I tried to grow.

These pictures are collected from deep forests where there is no accessible roads.

Whatever I am sending,mostly they are wild.

Thank you

Digpati Roy

[Tapas Chakrabarty]

Thladiantha hookeri or nearby!!

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tapas ji,

I think looks different to this and other species as per

Zhiwutong (illustration)

High resolution specimen with fruit

GBIF

The subtribe Thladianthinae (Cucurbitaceae) in Indochina and Malesia

Flora of China says Fruit oblong, 4-6 × 2-3 cm, smooth, rounded at both ends.

[Saroj Kasaju]

Thladiantha hookeri C.B.Clarke  ??

   

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Fruit is different.

[J.M. Garg]

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From: digpati roy <dp...@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Sun 25 Aug, 2019, 9:06 PM
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Fruit is not different

It could be Trichosanthes species

Thank you

Digpati Roy

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[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Any possibility of Thladiantha ziroensis Yanka H. & Arup K. Das though it 

is very far from Ziro Valley!

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Dear Sir,

May I request you to pl. confirm this as Thladiantha ziroensis as per your publication: Thladiantha ziroensis Yanka H. & Arup K. Das, sp. nov. (Cucurbitaceae) from Arunachal Pradesh, India

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[J.M. Garg]

Dear Sir,

May I request you to pl. confirm this as Thladiantha ziroensis as per Thladiantha ziroensis Yanka H. & Arup K. Das, sp. nov. (Cucurbitaceae) from Arunachal Pradesh, India

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Hanno ji.

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On Fri, 5 Feb, 2021, 1:37 pm Hanno Schaefer, <hanno.s...@tum.de> wrote:

Dear colleague,

No, it does not look like Thladiantha to me. The shape of the seeds and the bifid tendrils point to Trichosanthes.

It might be Trichosanthes cordata Roxburgh (see attached illustration) even though the sinus of the leaf does not match.

With flowers, it would be easy to distinguish the two genera.

Best wishes

Hanno Schaefer

 

From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday 5 February 2021 08:45
To: Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de>
Subject: Fwd: Climber with round fruit

 

Dear Sir,

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 13:37
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Dear colleague,

No, it does not look like Thladiantha to me. The shape of the seeds and the bifid tendrils point to Trichosanthes.

It might be Trichosanthes cordata Roxburgh (see attached illustration) even though the sinus of the leaf does not match.

With flowers, it would be easy to distinguish the two genera.

Best wishes

Hanno Schaefer

 

From: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>
Date: Friday 5 February 2021 08:45
To: Hanno Schaefer <hanno.s...@tum.de>
Subject: Fwd: Climber with round fruit

 

Dear Sir,

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[Saroj Kasaju]

May be correct ! Shutterstock Shutterstock

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding for ID

Distributed as Siraitia species ?- Kumarghat, Tripura

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[Gurcharan Singh]

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Forwarding again.

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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