Ranunculus flamula??

Shoeless Deb

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Feb 15, 2020, 8:52:40 AM2/15/20

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Location : Zara Valley, Ladakh

Elevation : 5000m.
Date : 3 August 2020

Habit : Alpine meadow

Found this at about 5000m in an alpine meadow in Ladakh. it looks like Ranunculus flamula but I am unsure so any second options?

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 21, 2020, 2:50:20 AM2/21/20

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Hi, Deb ji,

Pl. post high resolution image to see the details.

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 28, 2020, 6:10:45 AM2/28/20

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I think may be different from Ranunculus flammula as I can not see the upper leaves in this image (also details are not clear) as per

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nsr-slika-029.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ranunculus_flammula_-_Sturm.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranunculus_flammula

http://www.luontoportti.com/suomi/en/kukkakasvit/lesser-spearwort

https://www.first-nature.com/flowers/ranunculus-flammula.php

http://nzpcn.org.nz/flora_details.aspx?ID=2872

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Gurcharan Singh

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Feb 28, 2020, 10:34:21 AM2/28/20

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Ranunculus pulchellus I hope if flowers are 1.5 cm across, basal leaves less than 5 cm long, cauline mostly 3-lobed; or if flowers 3 cm across, basal leaves 7-10 cm long disappearing before flowering, cauline up to 30 cm long, mostly entire then R. lingua.

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J.M. Garg

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Feb 28, 2020, 9:34:19 PM2/28/20

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Thanks a lot, Singh ji.

J.M. Garg

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Mar 2, 2020, 7:09:57 AM3/2/20

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Thanks, Miroslav ji.

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I am convinced that Ranunculus flammula does not reach the Himalayas. This is most likely Ranunculus pulchellus or Ranunculus longicaulis (sometimes treated as a subspecies of the former).

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Shoeless Deb

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Mar 2, 2020, 1:00:38 PM3/2/20

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I have attached a better photograph - I hope the resolution is better

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Hi, Deb ji,
Pl. post high resolution image to see the details.

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Location : Zara Valley, Ladakh
Elevation : 5000m.
Date : 3 August 2020
Habit : Alpine meadow

Found this at about 5000m in an alpine meadow in Ladakh. it looks like Ranunculus flamula but I am unsure so any second options?

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Shoeless Deb

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Mar 2, 2020, 1:05:00 PM3/2/20

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Could it be Ranunculus nephelogenes??

Saroj Kasaju

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Mar 2, 2020, 2:03:12 PM3/2/20

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You should have posted image at upright position at least.

Thank you.

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Shoeless Deb

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Mar 2, 2020, 3:31:46 PM3/2/20

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Apologies - I thought I had!!!

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 2, 2020, 9:56:37 PM3/2/20

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Thanks, Deb ji

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 2, 2020, 10:48:49 PM3/2/20

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Ranunculus pulchellus seems good

Ranunculus flammula D. Don (non L.) is the synonym

Unfortunately both BSI Floras Flora of Jammu & Kashmir and Flora of India are Silent about it, eFlora of Pakistan, however, mentions it.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 2, 2020, 11:12:52 PM3/2/20

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My Herbarium specimens from Ladakh, 1971

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Saroj Kasaju

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Mar 2, 2020, 11:25:21 PM3/2/20

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Yes Gurucharan sir !

Ranunculus pulchellus C.A.Mey.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Mar 7, 2020, 12:22:02 AM3/7/20

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Thanks, Singh ji.

There is another one Ranunculus flammula L., which is an accepted name as per POWO, Catalogue of Life and The Plant List Ver. 1.1

Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 7, 2020, 1:25:37 AM3/7/20

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Yes Garg ji

Our plant is R. flamula Don, not L.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 7, 2020, 2:40:20 AM3/7/20

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Following three varieties are recognised in India

1a. Basal leaves margin ciliate, petioles hairy .... 24.3 var. stracheyanum
b. Basal leaves margin glabrous, petioles glabrous …………...……… 2
2a. Cauline leaves long, linear; stylar beak straight with broad apex ….…
………………………………………………….24.1 var. longicaulis
b. Cauline leaves narrowly elliptic; stylar beak recurved with narrow
apex ………………………………………….… 24.2 var. pulchellus

All are found in Ladakh, Can be checked in field or better more images

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 7, 2020, 3:42:56 AM3/7/20

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Thanks, Singh ji.

J.M. Garg

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Mar 11, 2020, 11:50:38 PM3/11/20

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I think may be var. stracheyanum as per this image and as per keys given by Singh ji.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 12, 2020, 1:10:42 AM3/12/20

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I would rather go with var. pulchellus

Here are three illustration 2010 revision of the genus in India and cropped image of Deb ji's plant.

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Ranunculus plchellus pulchellus and longicaule.jpg

Ranunculus pulchellus stracheyanus.jpg

Ranunculus-Deb-Ladakh.jpg

Saroj Kasaju

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Mar 12, 2020, 1:25:08 AM3/12/20

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POWO ??

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 12, 2020, 2:22:19 AM3/12/20

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R. nephelogenes Edgew is the synonym of R. pulchellus according to this 2010 revision Revision of Genus Ranunculus L. (Ranunculaceae) in India Taiwania, 55(3): 273-314, 2010 by R. K. Srivastava.

eFlora of Pakistan also mentions Some anthors have included plants with linear leaves of higher altitudes under Ranunculus nephelgenes at K. It is not clear whether plants from Pakistan designated as Ranunculus pulchellus var. longicaulis (C.A. Mey.) Hook.f. & Thoms. with small flowers of less than 1 cm in diameter are identical with the species described by C.A. Meyer.

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 14, 2020, 1:55:16 AM3/14/20

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Thanks, Singh ji,

I think this is Ranunculus longicaulis as per images, references and details herein.

Ranunculus pulchellus looks different as per images, references and details herein.

Pl. see FoC illustration (which gives better appreciation) and discussions at ID for Leh Flowers 8a & 8b

Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 14, 2020, 2:35:19 AM3/14/20

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Yes Ranunculus longicalulis since var. longicaulis is now raised to species level.

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Gurcharan Singh

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Mar 14, 2020, 2:43:45 AM3/14/20

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Interesting but true myself and Pankaj had intense fruitful discussion ten years back ID for Leh Flowers 8a & 8b

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

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J.M. Garg

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Mar 14, 2020, 3:00:48 AM3/14/20

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Thanks, Singh ji

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