RE: R.K.ELANGO FAMILY FACING LEGAL ADVOCATE NOTICE ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL INS.- REG.

[CA Haituk Desai (GMail)]

Dear All

 

I have a suggestion for the Elango Family.

 

As is well known, most Insurers habitually deduct fees at their whims going against GIPSA Schedule.

 

It is quite likely that Mr. Elango considered this double payments as an adjustment against earlier short payments from this Insurer. As far as I know, majority of our surveyor brothers who are honest, face hand to mouth existence.

 

Personally without knowing full facts, I would not throw mud at one of our late brothers who I suppose worked tirelessly for our fraternity.

 

Moreover, one should check whether the family members are legally liable for this double payment.

 

Regards

 

CA Haituk Desai

+91 98201 86763

 

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Subject: R.K.ELANGO FAMILY FACING LEGAL ADVOCATE NOTICE ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL INS.- REG.

 

Dear Members,

 

The undersigned member of IIISLA learned from a believable source that the past IIISLA President Mr.R.K.Elango when he received his double payment survey fees Rs.1,70,000/- in the year 2019 from NATIONAL INS.CO. Branch Chennai till his death did not repay the above amount re-send to the Insurer stating that the survey fee has been received twice for the same survey.

 

Off late the interim Audit found the same and confirmed that the one payment out of double payment has not been recovered from him till date. He also did not come forward to re-pay the second payment which was received for the same survey in his lifetime.

 

Now the Insurer's legal council went and approached the family members of his wife,son & daughter requesting to repay the same otherwise the cheque issued authorities concerned two officers jobs will be suspended . Though they agreed to receive the same twice but now he is no more and also we do not have that much amount to repay to the Insurer even if they have own property such as House, Lands and earning members of his wife (EB Engineer), daughter working as Doctor and son who is working in abroad which has been learned from near and dear. 

 

When Insurer's council sent a return notice forward to the above three persons first daughter received and noted the same other two persons denied to receive after knowing the content of notice which was in the daughter's notice. 

 

As I came to know about this mischief Of Mr.R.K.Elango I felt ashamed to tell I am his close friend professionally which is for our members kind information. I did not expect such worst behavior and attitude from him and his family. They totally damaged the entire surveyors community. 

 

Through this incident I request all our surveyor brothers please do not make such mistakes and spoil our surveyor image in front of the Insurance Industry.

 

With Regards,

 

P.VADIVELU

K.P.S.PROFESSIONALS,

INSURANCE SURVEYORS,

911-A, BAZAAR ROAD,

C-2, NAKSHATRA BUILDING,

RAM NAGAR EXTN., MADIPAKKAM

CHENNAI-600091

TEL: 9884722604 / 9444370306

E-mail: kpsbr...@gmail.com

 

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[hrd774]

It's also, likely that Mr. Elango didn't notice the double payments. May be due to his illness, maybe because he would ask his CA to write his books, maybe because the payment came just before his death and accounts were yet to be written, or all of the above reasons. 

Without knowing full details, it's not correct to castigate him. 

Regards 

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[hrd774]

Agree with Daljeet Singh, totally. 

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Subject: Re: R.K.ELANGO FAMILY FACING LEGAL ADVOCATE NOTICE ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL INS.- REG.

Dear Friends, 

Let us not talk bad about a person, who was our colleague and past President of IIISLA. let us not make it an issue. What has happened in the past when RKE was alive, was his business. Now, let us find out a way to solve the issue. This is my hubmle request. 

With regards,

S.Daljeet Singh

LIG 63, Musk Mahal Colony,

Attapur, PO Bahadurpura, 

HYDERABAD - Telangana

PIN 500064

+919848012700

On Friday, 2 April, 2021, 01:06:51 pm IST, vadivelu palanivelu <kpsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Members,

The undersigned member of IIISLA learned from a believable source that the past IIISLA President Mr.R.K.Elango when he received his double payment survey fees Rs.1,70,000/- in the year 2019 from NATIONAL INS.CO. Branch Chennai till his death did not repay the above amount re-send to the Insurer stating that the survey fee has been received twice for the same survey.

Off late the interim Audit found the same and confirmed that the one payment out of double payment has not been recovered from him till date. He also did not come forward to re-pay the second payment which was received for the same survey in his lifetime.

Now the Insurer's legal council went and approached the family members of his wife,son & daughter requesting to repay the same otherwise the cheque issued authorities concerned two officers jobs will be suspended . Though they agreed to receive the same twice but now he is no more and also we do not have that much amount to repay to the Insurer even if they have own property such as House, Lands and earning members of his wife (EB Engineer), daughter working as Doctor and son who is working in abroad which has been learned from near and dear. 

When Insurer's council sent a return notice forward to the above three persons first daughter received and noted the same other two persons denied to receive after knowing the content of notice which was in the daughter's notice. 

As I came to know about this mischief Of Mr.R.K.Elango I felt ashamed to tell I am his close friend professionally which is for our members kind information. I did not expect such worst behavior and attitude from him and his family. They totally damaged the entire surveyors community. 

Through this incident I request all our surveyor brothers please do not make such mistakes and spoil our surveyor image in front of the Insurance Industry.

With Regards,

P.VADIVELU

K.P.S.PROFESSIONALS,

INSURANCE SURVEYORS,

911-A, BAZAAR ROAD,

C-2, NAKSHATRA BUILDING,

RAM NAGAR EXTN., MADIPAKKAM

CHENNAI-600091

TEL: 9884722604 / 9444370306

E-mail: kpsbr...@gmail.com

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[k.senthilmaran k.senthilmaran]

Dear mr.Vadivelu,

Your writing is too much.  

I know who are you. You’re not having qualifications. 

By experience and on behalf of your late. Mr. Shanmugavelu surveyor only , mr.RKE Permit you to do jobs with out technical qualifications . Please publish your all certificates in board including late mr.Dhruva’s institute certificate. More over we know your discipline and integrity. What is your position at ORIENTAL ? what you done along with DM , Doctor Deivasigamani ?   How both minted money - we know. 

You are throw out by Madras surveyors from past 10 years back due to your aligation in survey seminar held at Madras. 

You begin your life as a Driver of Mr.Shanmugavelu And to mr.SALEM Nattamai Sekar. Afterwards mr.Dhiruvaji issue a paper , based on that paper till you’re acting as a surveyor with out any technical qualifications. So mind you’re words & write up before delivering it. Finally my opinion is You’re not a surveyor.  Hence you don’t bother about surveyors community.

K. Senthilmaran 

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[CA Haituk Desai (GMail)]

Apropos my earlier email on this subject, it's also, likely that Mr. Elango didn't notice the double payments. May be due to his illness, maybe because he would ask his CA to write his books, maybe because the payment came just before his death and accounts were yet to be written, or all of the above reasons. 

 

Without knowing full details, it's not correct to castigate him. 

 

Regards 

 

CA Haituk Desai

 

 

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[CA Haituk Desai (GMail)]

Dear All

 

I do not know whether my two emails have reached you and hence I am repeating them hereunder:

 

1^st Email

 

Dear All

 

I have a suggestion for the Elango Family.

 

As is well known, most Insurers habitually deduct fees at their whims going against GIPSA Schedule.

 

It is quite likely that Mr. Elango considered this double payments as an adjustment against earlier short payments from this Insurer. As far as I know, majority of our surveyor brothers who are honest, face hand to mouth existence.

 

Personally without knowing full facts, I would not throw mud at one of our late brothers who I suppose worked tirelessly for our fraternity.

 

Moreover, one should check whether the family members are legally liable for this double payment.

 

Regards

 

CA Haituk Desai

+91 98201 86763

 

2^nd Email

 

It's also, likely that Mr. Elango didn't notice the double payments. May be due to his illness, maybe because he would ask his CA to write his books, maybe because the payment came just before his death and accounts were yet to be written, or all of the above reasons. 

 

Without knowing full details, it's not correct to castigate him. 

 

Regards 

 

CA Haituk Desai

 

Regards

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[Uttam Garg]

Every surveyor  know about the receipt though a small amount can be oversighted but not a large sum. 

It is also the fault of the insurance company and they cannot held liable the family of the surveyor for their own wrong act.

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[rk thennarasu]

There are so much amount pending surveyors fees are held with Insurance Companies, the person who has to approve retired and the file was kept unnoticed, 

Can any surveyor make that person who retired or his family responsible. 

Even if you check there might be some amount will be pending for Late Reply. R. K. Elango.  No one concern about that to get it cleaned from the insurer. 

It's a harassment to the family who lost head of the family 

R. K. Thennarasu 

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[hrd774]

Very true 

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[Yogesh Patil]

Why should our families carry the burden of our professionalism and ethics after us ? 

Our professionalism and ethics ends with us. 

Yogesh Patil
Surveyor & Loss Assessor
Fellow - Fire,Marine,Motor
Pune - 411027
9372024242/9422272245

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On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 10:24, Rajaram Rao

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What about ethics and professionalism if senior leaders follow such ways.

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021, 10:16 'raghavan k. v.' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal, <iiisla...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Resected all,

I do support the view of Batia sir, it is the moral responsibility of his family to repay the amount to the insurance company, be it public sector or private sector, what matter is righteousness.

With regards,

Raghavan. K. V.

Surveyor and Loss assessor

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2021 at 23:11, 'B Mohanty' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal

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Dear sir,

As far as I understand about laws, 1st. requirement is an agreement by writing between the underwriters & a surveyor where recovery will be mentioned in the event of any eventuality where the heir apparent may be made liable for any such default/faulty payment received. Otherwise there no legal binding under any law of IPC or CrPC & laws of contract, etc.

If details made available, better option can be arrived at.

Thanks.

B Mohanty Surveyor

Cuttack, Odisha

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[hrd774]

I think this payment was adjusted against earlier fees cut by Insurers.

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Subject: RE: R.K.ELANGO FAMILY FACING LEGAL ADVOCATE NOTICE ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL INS.- REG.

We have no right to speak about anyone. What is the use to declare the matter in open.

Is Elango cheated the Insurance company? 

It is not appropriate to say anything about a person who has died and why should we care which is not related to us. 

The insurance company is the one to watch.  

On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 10:16, 'raghavan k. v.' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal

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[Mrinal Pathak]

Dear Fellow Members,

The payment can be recovered from the concern Officers/Employees, who wrongly paid the amount twice.

If the Insurer deducted our fee wrongly, they never pay the remaining amount. Ruther, they say it will be adjusted in the next bill.

 

With Thanks,

(Mrinal Pathak)

Surveyor & Loss Assessor,

Lic No. IRDA/IND/SLA-26060 Valid up to  29/11/2022

(Fire, Engineering, Motor, Marine Cargo & Misc.)

Mobile : 9864061309 & 9435112279

 

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From: Rajaram Rao
Sent: 05 April 2021 13:52
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Subject: Re: {Surveyors:35479} Re: R.K.ELANGO FAMILY FACING LEGAL ADVOCATE NOTICE ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL INS.- REG.

 

Sir

Absolutely I am of the same opinion.

But his family members does not have "LEGAL "LIABILTY.

M.R Rao

 

On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, 12:39 SURENDRA JAGGA, <jag...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr. Patil,

 

Professionalism and Ethics are not burdens, it is wisdom earned throughout our lives and remains in the minds of others after the man passes away.

 

It is our earning by which we are remembered always

 

So please correct your statements, but it is sure his family does not have any liability towards Insurers.

Thanks & Regards,

S.V.Jagga,

Surveyor & Loss Assessor,

Navi Mumbai Office :

"ANUBHUTI" Plot No. 19, Sector 15,

Near Proviso Tower, Koparkhairane, 

NAVI MUMBAI 400709.

 

Phone Off.  9167650335

 

 

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[Sanjeeb Mohanty]

Dear Vadivelu,

I could not appreciate your harsh comment on the family members of a deceased member.

You have no right to comment on family members of our late brother, who I think emotionally involved and work hard tirelessly for our fraternity.

As such, please correct your statements, but, in this case, it is sure that his family does not have any liability towards Insurers.

Regards,

S.K.MOHANTY.

CUTTACK, ODISHA.

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k.senthilmaran k.senthilmaran <k.senth...@gmail.com>	Fri, 2 Apr, 15:03
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Dear mr.Vadivelu,

Your writing is too much.  

I know who are you. You’re not having qualifications. 

By experience and on behalf of your late. Mr. Shanmugavelu surveyor only , mr.RKE Permit you to do jobs with out technical qualifications . Please publish your all certificates in board including late mr.Dhruva’s institute certificate. More over we know your discipline and integrity. What is your position at ORIENTAL ? what you done along with DM , Doctor Deivasigamani ?   How both minted money - we know. 

You are throw out by Madras surveyors from past 10 years back due to your aligation in survey seminar held at Madras. 

You begin your life as a Driver of Mr.Shanmugavelu And to mr.SALEM Nattamai Sekar. Afterwards mr.Dhiruvaji issue a paper , based on that paper till you’re acting as a surveyor with out any technical qualifications. So mind you’re words & write up before delivering it. Finally my opinion is You’re not a surveyor.  Hence you don’t bother about surveyors community.

K. Senthilmaran 

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Dear mr.Vadivelu,

Your writing is too much.  

I know who are you. You’re not having qualifications. 

By experience and on behalf of your late. Mr. Shanmugavelu surveyor only , mr.RKE Permit you to do jobs with out technical qualifications . Please publish your all certificates in board including late mr.Dhruva’s institute certificate. More over we know your discipline and integrity. What is your position at ORIENTAL ? what you done along with DM , Doctor Deivasigamani ?   How both minted money - we know. 

You are throw out by Madras surveyors from past 10 years back due to your aligation in survey seminar held at Madras. 

You begin your life as a Driver of Mr.Shanmugavelu And to mr.SALEM Nattamai Sekar. Afterwards mr.Dhiruvaji issue a paper , based on that paper till you’re acting as a surveyor with out any technical qualifications. So mind you’re words & write up before delivering it. Finally my opinion is You’re not a surveyor.  Hence you don’t bother about surveyors community.

K. Senthilmaran 

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